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I'll be looking forward to your comments as well.

Ann however you feel comfortable joining in it would be great to read your input once again.

Awesome! (And thanks to whichever kind soul reached out to you!)

Always remember that you are loved here, Fick. I, and many others here, have missed you terribly!

As for "The Gathering", I think I only just realized that it doesn't begin with and encompass the entire Harras/Epting run! Will all the information I need be provided within the contents of the Omnibus? (I checked, btw, and "The Collection Obsession" Epic Collection is out-of-print and pricey in the after-market. )

Either way, I promise to read it sometime between when I get it and the end of summer!

Love all of you back:

And I can confirm that all the information you need will be provided within the contents of the Omnibus. I don't consider "The Collection Obsession" essential reading anymore. I still find it entertaining, but it pales next to the remainder of the Epting/Harras run (largely because of the art -- Andy Kubert dropped out at the last minute after drawing only the first issue, leaving Epting to draw the 3rd and 5th issues in addition to the even-numbered ones he had originally been hired to draw; the third issue looks particularly bad, Tony DeZuniga spelling Tom Palmer on several pages in what was obviously a rush job that was far below DeZuniga's usual standards.)

Okay, I thought maybe Proctor debuted in the issues contained in Collection Obsession. Looking at the two descriptions, though, the former mentions a Thane Ector, while the latter mentions Proctor. Two unrelated characters?

Yes, they are unrelated.

That is good to know!

I do hope you'll eventually get a chance to read "Collection Obsession" and share your thoughts on it. In a weird way, it feels to me more like a JLA story than an Avengers one. (A *good* JLA story, I should add.)

Also, have you read "Operation Galactic Storm?" I vaguely remember seeing it in your Pile O'Trades thread, but I might be mistaking a different story for it.

Avengers Epics and Masterworks at about 60% off on Comixology. Including the one with a certain group of Avengers in jackets.

Ah. Will I ever be ready for digital comics.......

I think the previous marvel wide masterworks sale hss spoiled me. They were so cheap, even 60% off doesn't seem like enough. Those epic ones go deeper into the avengers run though.

Thoth, thanks for the plug. Hopefully it'll attract readers to that era.

If it makes you feel any better, Lardy, I decided long ago that I'll *never* be ready for digital comics (or at least not vintage superheroes gone digital.)

I've made an offer on the 6-issue floppies of "Collection Obsession". We'll see.....

Got my fingers crossed!

So I'm reading Avengers Masterworks Vol. 19. In the intro, David Michelinie explains that the infamous Ms. Marvel storyline was changed for issue 200 from his original plan because someone in another Marvel title did exactly what he'd intended in their story just prior to publication, so he felt he couldn't repeat the story beat. He kinda implies someone ripped him off because his intended story was known throughout Marvel. So, he says, he Shooter and Perez came up with the version that appeared.

So I remember this wasn't the intended ending but not the reason. I feel this has been discussed here. So what was the intended storyline, and what issue(s) of what Marvel comic beat him to the punch?

Some of this is news to me. I know the intended storyline was for her to be impregnated by the Kree Supreme Intelligence, which is just as offensive as what saw print. Other than that, I got nothing. Sorry, Lardy.

Michelinie sounds really bitter. He wasn't that good a writer anyway -- Bob Layton totally carried him on Iron Man. And I'm surprised Marvel would allow such sour grapes to end up in one of their trade introductions.

I Googled this, and an article I read confirms the Supreme Intelligence storyline. The article also says the competing story appeared in What If? #20: "What If the Avengers Fought the Kree-Skrull War without Rick Jones?"

I feel similarly about Michelinie and the popularity of his ASM run with Todd McFarlane. Michelinie without strong artistic collaborators is mediocre at best.

Re: his intro to MMW Vol. 20--it was a small part of his write-up, and he addresses it pretty even-handedly, but that's the takeaway. I suppose it would be worse to not address the elephant in the room at all, given its controversy.

Good point about the elephant in the room.

Of course, they could have saved themselves the trouble by not reprinting it in the first place.

Lardy, I'm thinking -- this thread is just a few posts away from hitting 2000. Could you please close the thread, and the next time I'm here I'll start The 2nd All Avengers Thread? Thanks in advance.

Alrighty! I'll miss you, All Avengers Thread Vol. 1!