Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes The Archives Re-read Project Discussion Thread

I have often not taken much notice of the credits and hadn't realised that #11 onwards were written by Waid! That does help explain the fairly dramatic shift in style and (in my opinion) quality.

On to the next volume, End of an Era. It's a bit complicated, with a lot of issues but I think some of the Valor series can be condensed.

I would skip Valor 1-16, with just a summary for #11-16 (where he meets Glorith and the Legion start to appear in the book) prior to reviewing Valor #17-18.

The proposed order of reading:
Valor 17 & 18
Valor 19 & 20
Valor 21 (which brings us to July 1994, when Legionnaires, LSH and Valor were published each month)
Legionnaires 16
LSH 59
L.E.G.I.O.N. 68-70 (maybe just a summary of these issues? Jo finds Tinya/Enya)
Legionnaires 17
Valor 22
LSH 60
Legionnaires 18
Valor 23
LSH 61

Stile had included Superboy v.3 #8 - I don't have that issue, it is part of the Zero Hour crossover but doesn't appear to figure in the on-going Legion story from what I read on-line. Skip it or summarize?

Sounds good to me, Cramey.

I don't have Legionnaires 16, it's become rather expensive-slash-hard to find, so I'll have to skip participation in that issue's discussion.

But I would be glad to volunteer to do a summary of the Zero Hour core mini-series...because I'm a glutton for suffering.

I'm tempted to volunteer to do full reviews of L.E.G.I.O.N. #68-70, given my love of the first 55 issues of that book, but my intuition (and my 5YL Jo gag reflex) tell me I better not.

Superboy v.3 #8 is a decent read, from a good era of Superboy; perhaps since Stile suggested it, he could review it, if it's okay with him?

I'm happy to comment and summarise the L.E.G.I.O.N. issues, at least the Jo bits. I could maybe even post the few pages that are relevant.

Always appreciate your sufferenig for the cause Ann.

I can summarise Superboy. It's only connection to the Legion is that the classic Superboy who appears in End Of An Era and then disappears next appears here. The issue is about his confusion with the modern take on Smallville including Lana Lang and bumping into Clone-Superboy, so while it is fun and mentions the Legion there is no loss to EOAE by not including it.

Are you planning on summarising Valor #11-16 yourself Cramey?

That would be great, thanks. There are a lot of things about those issues that are cringe-inducing in a 2021 context.


Maybe I should adopt an alter ego named Masokista.

Ann, a summary of the core Zero Hour would be great, whenever your need for suffering strikes you!

Stile, thanks for offering to cover the Superboy issue. Would you also like to sum up the Valor issues #11-16?

Cramey, after some rumination, I'm thinking it would probably be best to slot the Zero Hour summary in between Valor #23 and LSH #61.

I could do that. Flicked through them just yesterday after I read your suggested plan. The only tricky bit is that it would be the opening part of the next Archive. I guess I had better get to work.
Cramey would it work if you started the new archive thread with the issues to be covered and how, and then I followed up with the summary post? Then you could continue the lead with Valor #17. Does that make sense?

That works perfectly. I'll post the new thread with the order of issues and usual links, then you kick off the volume with the Valor summary.

Just confirming that I will still be posting a summary of the Zero Hour core mini-series, one day next week.

Thanks Ann. I had been thinking of checking if you wanted me to do it but great that you can still cover it.

I was wondering how we wanted to handle re-reading the Reboot which is next. Gaseous Lad has recently revived Ibby's thread reading those volumes and he and others are commenting there at the moment.

It would be cleaner to start a new Re-read thread and continue as we have been doing, but I don't want to ignore what Ibby has already contributed.

Thoughts?

Interesting that you bring this up now - I just reached out to Ibby about picking up that thread where it left off (L*67, about a dozen or so issues prior to the end of the LSH v4 run, and coincidentally where I just stopped reading myself) to re-read/review through the Widening Rifts arc, and possibly into Legion.

It would absolutely be a cleaner way to go about the discussion, as my comments on L* issues in the 40s are appended to discussions and synopses around the late 60s or so, and we can look at the issues with lenses in the 2020s.

But if folks are up for the discussion, I'm up for it either way. We may want to look at a different cadence or style - Ibby created some great synopses, but we'd want to make it new somehow, but Ibby & Fat Cramer have a good structure with Summary/Commentary

Thanks GL for letting me know about this discussion, and thanks for starting it stile!

I?m neutral either way, happy to use my summaries as a base for discussion in a new thread. My thread has a table of contents so the summaries will be easy-ish to find, link, copy / quote

I just started a new job, so I likely won?t contribute as much at least until everyone gets to the point where I left off in the existing thread (as I doubt my opinions will change so much, plus there are only so many times I can reread something )

In summary, I won?t get offended or anything whichever way the group goes. Happy to have any existing stuff I wrote re used as a jumping point for discussion.

I wonder what Fat Cramer and HWW think, as they also contributed quite a hit to the existing Reboot reread thread (apologies if I missed anyone). And Thoth on this thread

Thanks, Ibby.

I think it'd be nice if Thoth chimed in, too.

Good points from Ann and Ibby - I think Fat Cramer is close to starting the Reboot on her re-read.

Cramey is a woman.

Correction made, thank you Anne!

I thought I was a cat!

My thought way back when was to use Ibby's postboot thread in some way as a basis for the Archives re-read, since it was so thorough in documenting the issues. Why reinvent the wheel? Whether we could use a link or repost his summary/comment for each issue is up for discussion. Or some other approach... this isn't my thread, I've just been kicking it off every week to make sure it keeps going. I would favour reposting Ibby's post as the initial one for each week.

As for which issues to include in the next archive, we usually try to hit around 10 or so. This would take us up to Legionnaires #22 (Planet Hell). The next issue (LSH #66) is when Andromeda, Vi and Kinetix join. Or we might want to end on that note of three new members.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

I'm on the same page as you on everything noted in your post above, Cramey -- including your identity.

Sounds like a good approach to me.

Re the stopping point, I think L*23 is a good stopping by point. The 3 new members have one additional issue to show how they fit in with the team


Also ends on a much more upbeat note than L*22, which has Garth walking away from Cos on a sad-ish note

Thanks for the note on my issue summaries FC, and I agree no need to reinvent my earlier issue summaries are less comprehensive than my later ones, but I do think there?s enough in there to pick up on

PS thanks Annfie, I didn?t specify in my earlier post that i mentioned FC and HWW as contributors to the existing reboot reread thread. Of course, you and thothy are key commenters too - the more the merrier when we jump into the reboot reread in my opinion!

Hope I didn?t miss anyone who?s been active in the other preboot rereads!

Thank you, Ibby. The more the merrier, indeed!

I agree with 23 being a good stop.

Sounds like we have a plan!