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IIRC, Annual # 4 takes place between issues 44 and 45.

I think this is a good plan, but I'd go all the way to issue # 52, which is the last one after the big shakeup/Legion on the Run story. Maybe also pull in Legionnaires 7 & 8, which are standalone stories; that sets up Legion on the Run and the Legionnaires run from 9-15 (which had plots continuing from one issue into the next) as a reasonably-sized (maybe just a little large) final volume before End of an Era.

As someone who tries to keep up with the rereads but often doesn't, either idea sounds fine but could I make a small suggestion?

In the first post of the new thread could you list the issues that will be covered in this "volume"? Also if you could put a link to previous re-reads threads it would be helpful.

Just a thought. I really appreciate you keeping this alive.

I'm good to go to #52 and add legionnaires 7 & 8. We can combine some issues in the Mordru arc, but I don't think I can personally handle doing 42-48 all at once. Maybe two chunks, I'll take a look at the issues this weekend.

Good suggestions stile, I tend to forget what's supposed to be included in each volume myself. The initial post can state the volume contents and include the links.

Fair enough, Cramey. It really is a painfully bad story-arc, to say nothing of overlong!

So are you guys going to start the Postboot simultaneously while finishing the 5YL issues? If so, I think I can participate as I have a DCU subscription I rarely use. As Jim Sterling says, "I really should read more books."

As for Mysa, I hate how Giffen removed her sense of agency. I could see her allying with Mordru due to her love of power, but she seems far too willing. The Retrobott retcons did her character a great service.

Emily, I'd see us wrapping up 5YL along with the Legionnaires series that ends with Zero Hour (Legionnaires #18 and there's an Arthurian Annual in there as well), then beginning new volumes with the Postboot with LSH and Legionnaires #0.

Ibby's already done extensive reviews of the postboot issues, so maybe something can be worked out by revisiting his thread.

I looked at combining the issues for V.30: #42 is stand-alone (Luornu's story), then maybe #43-45 combined, #46-48 combined, #49-50 (a lot of Tenzil), #51-52, and Legionnaires #7 (Atlantis) and #8 (Colu), separately. The Legionnaires issues could be put at the end or interspersed with the LSH stories.

Okay, now I am confused because Legionnaires as presented on DCU is the Postboot Legion starting in 1993, correct? Is the Legionnaires you are referring to cataloged under a different name?

Emily, Legionnaires was set in the preboot thru issue 18, which was the title's last Zero Hour crossover. At that point it featured the younger Legion team introduced as "Batch SW6" during the 5 Years Later era. It was relaunched as the reboot with zero issues after Zero Hour but kept the numbering. From 19-on it was reboot continuity. Why they didn't just relaunch with new number ones is inexplicable.

I shall just review whatever Cramer puts up first.

Please we didn't go for a huge chunk of issues. Sometimes, there's enough in each issue that I want to super-rabbit on about each. On the other hand, I could have used one review for all of the Terra Mosaic, as it turned out.

I'm not sure how many more Legionnaire issues I have. I know I didn't read them all at the time.

That index is great! Thanks for always going that extra mile, Thoth.

Thanks for doing the first dozen in an earlier thread, so I could pinch them from you, Fickles.

Anytime.

Thanks for the links Thoth.

Thanks, Thoth! I'll include this as the new Volume's first post.

Just noticed last night that I blew by the Archive limit for the current volume, which should have ended with LSH #52 and Legionnaires #7-8.

I doubt it's a huge deal, but I'll fix it next week, I'm just snowed under with deadlines this week. We can do Legionnaires 7 & 8 together next week, #7 is mostly an underwater romp, then get onto the next volume.

No worries, Cramey.

I'm wondering if the next volume should be extra-long -- LSH #53-61, L* #9-18, and the Valor tie-ins to End of An Era (can't remember the issue numbers at the moment?) It is, after all, the final Preboot volume. I'm also wondering if we should start over from Volume 1 for the Postboot.

I picked Valor issues in a bargain box a while back. So, if I didn't have them before, I do now. Not sure how far my Legionnaires issues go. I do have the End of an Era ones.


If we're going to start a relaunched review thread for '90s comics, will we have to have seven versions of the thread and a holographic one?

LOL

For the next volume, I'm not sure how to proceed. It should start with #53 and 54 (already covered - I'll move them over to the new thread) and I'm okay with going right through to the end.

However, I don't know how best to manage it. We'll have LSH 55-61, and Legionnaires 16-18 tie in directly to End of an Era. Legionnaires 9 - 15 are separate from the LSH book, as far as I can see after glancing through them.

I haven't looked at the Valor books yet, I don't really want to add in the entire Valor run at this point.

So I'm looking at LSH 55-58, Legionnaires 16, LSH 59, Legionnaires 17, LSH 60, Legionnaires 18, LSH 61. But where should we put Legionnaires 9 - 15? Interspersed with LSH (and possibly combining some of them to catch up with the LSH book) or covered separately?

I'm happy enough going to the end of this run.

If there are Valor issues that are part of a multi-part End of An Era, I'll probably be reading them along with Legion & Legionnaires.

Possibly then do Legionnaires 9-15 and any Valor ones you like, prior to the post boot launch?

The Valor issues up to #10 are largely stand-alone and unconnected to 30th Century.

Valor #11 starts the DOA storyline which directly involves some of the Legionnaires (young group) and goes through to #17, then #18 and #19 deal with a different Valor, Glorith and a few legionnaires, and #20 to #21 wrap up that Valor and Glorith story. This all happens in the middle of Legionnaires #16 pages 10-11. The final two Valor issues #22 and #23 are set in the 30th Century and are part of End of an Era.

Legionnaires #9-15 are separate but all occur before the End of an Era so reading them afterward would feel a bit weird. If they are not read then the Legion read would be incomplete. Awkward.

Both LSH and Legionnaires have annuals in there as well although both are effectively Elseworlds stories (Legionnaires is just that wheras LSH is a bedtime story told by Vi to the rapidly de-aging Ayla probably between LSH #57 and #58).

L.E.G.I.O.N. #68-70 each include a few pages of Jo Nah tracking down Phase after he leaves to do so in LSH #59. Possibly someone (me perhaps) could share those few pages in the thread at the appropriate time.

Finally the original Superboy appears in Valor #23 before disappearing and reappears in Superboy v3 #8 to interact with the young clone Superboy. Legion gets a brief mention but it does tie in with Supes appearing in both.

So if all of these were to be read I think they would go (using Cramey's order as a base):

Legionnaires #9-#15, Annual #1 (if everyone wants to read them)
LSH #55-57, Annual #5, LSH #58
Legionnaires #16 (timelines begin to shift)
Valor #11-#21 (DOA, Glorith and Aftermath)
LSH #59
L.E.G.I.O.N. #68-70 (Jo Nah and Phase)
Legionnaires #17 EOAE1
Valor #22 EOAE2
LSH #60 EOAE3
Legionnaires #18 EOAE4
Valor #23 EOAE5
Superboy v3 #8
LSH #61 EOAE6

That's 33 comics (excluding L.E.G.I.O.N. #68-70), too much for a single volume. Maybe break them into two or three?
1 - Legionnaires/LSH carry on - Legionnaires #9 through to LSH #58 (15 issues with LSH 53-54 inserted)
2 - Time starts to break - Legionnaires #16, Valor #11-21, LSH #59 (13 issues)
3 - End of an Era (7 issues with Superboy crossover)

Thank you so much for working all that out!

I'd say for the next volume we knock out the Legionnaires 9-15, then pick up 55-58, with the 2 Annuals at the end, since they're Elseworlds.

For the volume(s) after that, anyone have thoughts on including L.E.G.I.O.N. and the #11-21 Valor issues? I remember Valor being a crashing bore (haven't looked at it since it came out), but it might be worth a re-read.

I like that set for the next volume.

Regarding the L.E.G.I.O.N. issues, unless people want to read what was happening to Dox and cohorts at this point in their tale I suggest just posting the handful of pages from those issues that involve Jo and Phase (#68 3 pages, #69 7 pages, #70 5 pages) and doing this in the following re-read volume following LSH #59 since that is when Jo leaves to find her. I can try to do that if I am still around then.

As for Valor I would vote for including #11-21 in the following volume. I agree that the earlier Valor issues were fairly forgettable and had no connection to Legion or his future. These issues however I thought were of a higher standard, much more interesting story and not only involve the future Legionnaires but directly relate to a Legion villain and Valor's legendary backstory as told in 5YL. On the other hand the timeline gets "fixed" in the end which is why it all happens between panels in Legionnaires #16. On the third hand (little Niven reference there) the shenanigans in the 20th Century are another major cause of the Zero Hour time collapse along with the 30th Century End Of An Era, so I vote yes.

That also brings to mind the Zero Hour miniseries itself. The Time Trapper, senior Rokk, senior Jo, and the junior 3 founders all appear multiple times in this series. This happens concurrently with the End Of An Era and some of the scenes from that play out here with some extra scenes thrown in. Personally I don't think the writing is at all up to the standard of EOAE. They might make for an interesting side read but I would suggest doing that after completing EOAE as they contain spoilers, are not easy to integrate with it and the characterisations are a bit off but mostly totally lost in the action and plot. Anyway that is a question for a volume or two down the road.

(I feel a bit inappropriate stating my opinion since my involvement in the current readthrough has been minimal. It is a period at the height of my comic collecting so I thought the perspective might be useful. Regular "re-readers" please feel free to ignore it.)

Your opinions and the research you provide on issue content and order of reading are greatly appreciated!

I'm going to reread those Valor issues anyways (probably the whole run, for my own information) - another Legion fan recently commented that the Waid-written issues were really good.