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The Ben Affleck Daredevil movie (which I just watched again a couple nights back).

I could have sworn when it came out in 2003 that a lot of people dug it, but somehow, over the next decade or so, it's become a go-to example of a superhero movie done wrong.

I completely disagree. I would actually go so far as to say that - the original Christopher Reeve Superman aside - that the director's cut of Daredevil might actually be my favorite superhero movie.

Is it full of overly slick images, hammy dialog, and strange plotholes? Absolutely. (I always wonder, during that "Elektra training with the sandbags" scene, who is actually going to clean all that up). But what else embraces those things? A comic book!

I always find Daredevil to be the closest thing I've seen to a comic come to life. It straddles a strange line between going for a grim and gritty take (but not attempting to strike as realistic a tone as the Nolan Batman films) and a more stylized approach (but not completely missing what is the appealing about comic books, in the way that something like Ang Lee's Hulk movie did).

There have been probably fifty or so comic book movies since the big revival of the genre started with "Blade" in the late 90's, but Daredevil is the only one that I keep going back to watch again and again.

So it was the Directors cut of Daredevil you watched?
That explains why you like it. Due to some horrible choices in editing, the theatrical version is quite different (and quite bad)
Not a fan of the original version, but I agree that the Directors cut is one of the better superhero movies

Yeah, it was the director's cut. I actually bought it a while back in a bargain pack that contained all the Fox Marvel movies to date (The X-men trilogy, the two Fantastic Fours, Daredevil and Elektra).

Interesting that that was the version they decided to go with for the package, then. I guess even the studio wound up agreeing it was better.

If you can manage it somehow, watch both versions back to back...the differences are astounding!


EDIT: I haven't watched either, but I hear that the Green Lantern movie has a similiar issue between theatrical and Directors cut versions

Frankly, I thought Daredevil was a decent superhero flick, theatrical or director's cut. Yeah, you could argue that the director's cut is definitely better (especially with how it shows Matt lawyering more), but I don't think the theatrical quite deserves all the hate it gets either. (IIRC, we reviewed it pretty favorably here on LW when it was released.)

BTW, I thought the first Ghost Rider movie and the Green Lantern movie were decent enough films, as well, in an enjoy-them-while-you're-eating-popcorn way. They entertained me while I watched them, and I didn't wish I had stayed home.

Often, it just becomes the cool thing to do to rag on certain movies to such an extent that you let other people's opinions brainwash you. Sometimes, the films in question don't deserve it. ("Batman & Robin" definitely deserved it!)

I've always kind of dug it. I'm real interested in watching the Director's Cut now.

Onion soup mix-sour cream dip.

I get the craving whenever there's a nice spring day and it's time to grill up the first burger of the season.

[snarfs the entire bowl with potato chips while making Taz noises]

[loosens belt, belches]

I hope the food snobs don't find me like this.

Other men.... oops.

R. Crumb.

Not that I haven't struggled with reconciling some of the more...questionable...content of his art, but I always end up at the same conclusion -- he's a viciously misanthropic, yet brilliant, equal-opportunity offender, a satirist with great insights into how and why Postwar America went so horribly, horribly wrong. And the "cuteness" of his style, which Crumb has sometimes dismissed as an accidental consequence of his honing his skills working for a greeting-card company, is what I consider the sweet candy-coating that helps the potentially toxic elements go down much easier.

Batman v Superman
General Hospital
Peanut butter and pickle sandwiches
Dragon Age 2
Hard beds
Rob Liefeld (more as a personality than a creator)
Video games with an easy mode

You do you, Ibby. We like you just the way you are.

aw cleome, you always know just what to say thanks!

A good version of a great torch song from the days of your, like "I put a spell on you!"

Certain Seventies fashions. Not the really oddball ones a la' Annie Hall or electric lime-green pants with 30" bells, but some of the simpler streamlined, utilitarian outfits you'll sometimes see in old ads. As a little girl I thought those were ultra-sophisticated and part of me is still sad that I never got to wear them.

Karaoke-ing Disney songs from the 90s

By strange coincidence, I mentioned Crumb and the utlra-specific conditions under which I enjoy work earlier in this thread.

I was taught to hate gay people.... but look at me now!

Just checked. Cleome said that she enjoys stories that are drawn by Crumb and written by Pekar, but not anything that either of them has done separately.

At the time I made my post about Crumb, I hadn't read any of the Pekar/Crumb stories, or any of Pekar's work at all.

That changed last month when I started taking out carloads of library trades collecting non-superhero comix. For the most part, Pekar without Crumb is, to me, like eating brown rice -- it's nutritious and good for you, but just not very tasty or memorable.

The one exception is "The Beats," one of the last projects Pekar worked on before his death in 2008 -- he and his partner, Joyce Brabner, curated (and, in some cases, wrote) a collection of sequential narratives about the Beat Generation by various creators. The standout entry, to me, was the spotlight on Diane DiPrima, drawn by Mary Fleener and written by Pekar. But they're all good or better, in my opinion, and do an admirable job of demystifying the Beats (read: calling them on their less-pleasant personality traits and nasty behaviors) while still reminding us why their best works remain as relevant as they were decades ago. I'll probably review the book in the detail in the Gym'll's forum sometime soon.

I don't know if this counts. I see a lot of people online saying how Paris is too touristy, and people should skip it for more "authentic" cities, whatever that means.

I feel that many of these people are just horrible travel snobs. Paris IMO is extremely beautiful, and there's nothing like enjoying it the Parisian way. Grab a bottle of wine, some cheese and bread, and have a picnic beside the Seine. So many beautiful spots where I have spent hours just gazing out at the river and the beautiful architecture around it.

Le Orme's attempts to reinvent themselves as an 80s synthpop band.

I read a Buzzfeed "article" (I use that term loosely), where a bunch of Gen Zers make fun of millennials. One of the things they make fun of millennials for is liking Disney.

I grew up with the best of the Disney films, so I am not ashamed!!!

Disney? Well that's interesting given the corpo owns so many other brands in addition to the core works (unless that's what they are talking about - just the original animated stuff).

But I will say, there is nothing as nice as visiting a Disney resort on the off season. I took my kids when they were very little (so as to not interfere with school) to Disney World in late January. The weather was perfect and there were no crowds. Completely unlike the hell that place becomes in the middle of summer.

If we're talking comics, I've really enjoyed the Junji Ito horror comics I've seen fans share on various sites. (Translated into English, of course. I can't read a word of Japanese.) Two reasons I should not: I'm not as a rule very into Manga and I also tend to avoid modern horror and anything else with graphic scenes of violence. I'm just a very skittish person and telling myself "It's just a story" doesn't help. (I don't even like my cheeseburgers rare.)

Not sure WHY I love Ito so much. Maybe it's... his draftsmanship and composition are SO GOOD. I tend to concentrate on those and not think very deeply about the fantastical and very disturbing ideas in the stories themselves. Another fan commented that the fantastical parts also keep us somewhat detached from the what the characters go through. They're more vehicles than 3-D people. Also the stories are usually short and self-contained. You don't get to know them very well most of the time. There was one exception, though I don't remember the name. It was a straightforward tale of a man haunted by the family he'd lost in a terrible flood. That one moved me deeply because there was little in it that was surreal or implausible.

Yeah, I also prefer going to theme parks in the off-season. I would ride the same rides like 12 times in a row...