Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Just Imagine: Talia al Ghul surviving into the 3000s, instead of her Daddy

At the very least, for the sake of picturing how sexily Olivier Coipel would have drawn her...

I was very late in picking the Ra's storyline up. Would it be fair to say it got a mixed reaction here?

Still... just imagine...

Beneath the ruins of an ancient Ethiopian settlement, Ra's rises once more from the primordial Lazarus Pit. Life giving, viscous liquid drips from him as he moves, lit by the embers of the smouldering abyss behind him.

Ra's: Submit Lar. You should be the last to deny someone long life.

Mon-El's arm is limp against his side, as he struggles into a defensive posture. He has no obvious injuries. But, with centuries of martial knowledge, Ra's has caused significant internal damage.

Lar: You can't win. Earthgov will raze this site, if I don't return. You can't survive without your pit of horrors.

Ra's: True. But without the Pit, who will save the broken, dying Legionnaires I've left on the surface?

Lar smiles grimly.

Lar: Then we'll just have to see...see... um does the Pit always do that?

Ra's: Die Legionn...what?

Lar holds Ra's eye, and then looks down, the villain's gaze following.

Lar: you seem to be a little more... um... voluptuous...

Ra's: Gah! Breasts!

Lar: .. and in a Coipel drawn issue too. Another way of distracting your enemies, Ra's?

Ra's: No! Talia has also used the pit. I can feel her mind in mine. Stronger... I've raised her too well...

Ra's head goes limp for a moment, as his body changes further. The face that rises again is not his own.

Talia: >tsk< world domination again father? There's a better way. Now Lar, which way to Gotham?

How sharper than a serpent's tooth... old Ra's must have gotten complacent.

This thread title made me think that Talia would have been a great replacement for Harmonia Li.

If it had only been that.

Instead she was part of an immortal community, chosen by the guardians, a mater of temporal studies and had super powers.


I suppose just adding in that she was Talia would have been fine. I mean, why not, when there's so much else going on?

This reminds me of a Batman Beyond episode.

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Except it was sort of the reverse. Talia returned, but it turned out to be Ra's mind in his daughter's body.

These are all interesting, not to mention highly amusing ideas, but what I had in mind was a lot more straightforward:

Talia took over Ras's organization after he died, and after Black Canary was immersed in the Lazarus Pit with positive results, Talia started using it herself regularly. Simple as that.

(And as far as I'm concerned, Ra's died his final death in 1982 in that AWESOME Batman Annual #8 by Mike W. Barr & Trevor Von Eeden, and every appearance he's made since is in another universe.)

Yay! I've not seen Batman Beyond, so I'm putting this down in the folder* outlining my being a creative Genieous Jeani... smarty pants!


*it is not a thin folder, it is executively streamlined. So there.

Did Black Canary die? I preferred the death defying heroes of yesteryear, rather than the "could someone help me with the zip of this body bag I'm trapped in" lot of more recent times.

Thoth, I'm afraid I can't confirm or deny whether Canary actually died before her Lazarus-bath. I haven't read any of the first 55 issues of the original Birds of Prey ongoing. I did (unfortunately) read a sizable chunk of the (overrated) Gail Simone issues* and IIRC, Canary had already taken her youth-bath long before Gail started writing the series.



*All at no cost whatsoever to my bank account, thanks to the local public library system!! HOORAH!!

It's probably on wiki or something, but strangely I seem to be averse to reading endless continuity nonsense. I can't imagine why.

I've not been to my local library in years. Actually, the last time I was there was to renew my card which had expired because I'd not been there in years. It could have loads of comics!

I must find out. Before they close it, like they do to so many such places here these days.

Thoth, you were right, there was info on Wiki about Dinah's immersion in the Lazarus Pit.

I'm too lazy ATM to link or to copy & paste (on this side of the ocean, it's only 7:45 a.m.), but the gist of it is that the Pit not only cured her fatal wound and rejuvenated her, it also gave her back her Canary Cry and (possibly) her ability to bear children, both of which she'd lost as a result of...what happened to her in Mike Grell's piece-of-crap 1987 mini-series Green Arrow: The Longbow Hunters.

And as I was typing the post, I remembered that the prime mover behind Dinah's Lazarus cures was then-BoP writer Chuck Dixon. A good reminder that while Dixon's views on guns, militarism, and alternative lifestyles are questionable at the very least, he does respect women and he has occasionally put his gob to good use by taking DC Comics to task for their near-pathological use of rape and/or battery towards their female characters (what bothered Dixon most of all involved Stephanie Brown/Spoiler, a character Dixon himself had created, and an ugly retcon to Steph's backstory by a writer other than himself.)

The exact issue, BTW, is BoP (Original Series) #34.

Saaaaay...what if DINAH survived into the 3000s??

Wasn't there a Canary named character towards the end of the Threeboot? Links?

Ooh, Talia could have been an interesting replacement for Ras.

The Legion hasn't had a lot of 'big bads' who are ladies, and while I kind of loathe 20th century villains rearing their heads again in the 30th century (it was okay, once, with Darkseid, but then there was Ras al-Ghul and it looked like Levitz was trying to bring back Krona in the last run, which just annoyed me, because I do not want to see the Legion facing 20th century immortals like Vandal Savage and Solomon Grundy and Necron and Circe or whatever, over and over), Talia has the advantage of not being as over-used (and over the top, and narratively limited / one dimensional) as some of the others.

There's a lot of places you can go and stories you can tell with Talia, that someone like Necron or Solomon Grundy wouldn't really fit.

Legion #37 written by Gail Simone, cover art by Greg Land, Jay Leisten,Justin Ponsor

Oops, I meant "I wonder if there could be a link between them" and went for "links" without thinking about it

That could be any number of chart hits she's singing to cause that reaction

Tyroca joins the Legion?




Oh, is that what that was?



I think that the robotic Immorto was going to be General Immortus.

I liked that Professor Ivo never left his tank, when he was revealed to have survived. But yeah, you might as well have the team fight the Legion of Fossils, as *everyone* seems to have survived.