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Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10)
Invisible Brainiac #910549 09/24/16 03:55 AM
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Well, we've had one vote for each of the other two, so Imma be contrary, as is my wont;

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Re: JSA++ Idol! (FINAL ROUND!!!)
Invisible Brainiac #910555 09/24/16 04:39 AM
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Doctor Fate for the win!

Re: JSA++ Idol! (FINAL ROUND!!!)
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Huntress!!!!

Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10)
Invisible Brainiac #910573 09/24/16 05:50 AM
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Sticking with my fav

The Red Tomato.. er ... I mean Red Tornado (Ma Hunkel)


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Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10)
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As of now we have a 3-way tie, with 2 votes each!

Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10)
Invisible Brainiac #910615 09/24/16 09:10 AM
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I'm voting for Dr.Fate for the Final Round. While I like the other two, Dr.Fate has stood the test of time. As an original JSA member, he is the best fitting to take #1 in my opinion.


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Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10)
Invisible Brainiac #910628 09/24/16 01:50 PM
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hmmm Who should I vote for? hmmm

Such an agonizing choice... faint sigh

Who, oh who, should I vote for...? scream

Aw, y'all know it's GOTTA be....

HUNTRESS!!!

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Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10)
Invisible Brainiac #910635 09/24/16 03:24 PM
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With 8 votes in, it is just as I thought! Two way tie for winner! Still anyone's game!

Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10)
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Urrrrrrrr. I am having Two Face flip the coin for me. Heads Dr. Fate, tails Huntress.

The coin is in the air. It drops as it flips.

It's, it's....

Two Face why are you looking like that?

What do you mean fate rests in the coin?

Oooooh, DOCTOR FATE!

Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10)
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Dr. Fate leads by one!

With two regular voters left... will we get a clear winner? Or will we end with a tie? Will we get surprise voters during the final round?

We've never had a tie for winner before... will we make Idol history?

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Invisible Brainiac #910656 09/24/16 07:47 PM
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Ma Hunkel.


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Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10)
Invisible Brainiac #910659 09/24/16 08:03 PM
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I'm really torn.

Even though I wasn't regularly voting for her (because I knew her popularity with other players would carry her through) Huntress has been one of my favourites to win from the start. Her story arc in 'Crisis' #s 11 & 12 brings a tear to my eye.

On the other hand, after nearly all of my other favourites were voted out in one terrible round, I started reassessing my feelings about the other characters, and I realised how much I actually like Dr. Fate. I absolutely love his original costume - the mask, the colours, the high pants, everything! I also love all the supporting elements of his story - from his tower in Salem, to his cool wife Inza, to the iconic ankhs he uses for his spells. IMO he's 1000x times more interesting than Aan, Jay and Ted who hogged all the spotlight in the modern era.

So I think it's appropriate that I vote for HUNTRESS and let someone else break the deadlock.

Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10)
Invisible Brainiac #910663 09/24/16 09:32 PM
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What?! Oh heck. I'm still thinking. Like Blacula, I'm a bit torn on this one. Still, maybe we'll get more late votes...



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Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10)
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Wow! Fat Cramer joins the game and adds a point to Ma Hunkel! This is so awesome!

Blacula gives great write-ups for both Huntress and Dr. Fate.

And poor thoth gets all the pressure of possibly having to break a tie.

I think I'll have to plan for an eventual tie... Just in case. Who knows who else will vote in the next 20 hours or so?

Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10)
Invisible Brainiac #910678 09/25/16 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac

And poor thoth gets all the pressure of possibly having to break a tie.


I'll be fine as sure as my name's Fall Apart Boy!


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Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10)
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Arm Fall Off Boy called. He wants a team-up smile

Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10)
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Thoth: are you open to bribery?


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Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10)
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A 3-way tie would be extremely amusing.

Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10)
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Run out the clock, thoth! Leave it a two-way tie between Dr. Fate and the Huntress!

All our hopes and dreams lie with you!

No pressure...



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Invisible Brainiac #910691 09/25/16 03:50 AM
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IB, do you think we will have a run-off vote or are you going to use a Random Generator to decide?


Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10)
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Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
A 3-way tie would be extremely amusing.


A 3 way between Dr Fate, Huntress and Ma Hunkel? This JSA idol has taken on a weird turn...

Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10)
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Doctor Fate didn't star in More Fun for nothing you know. smile



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Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10)
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Originally Posted by Emily Sivana
IB, do you think we will have a run-off vote or are you going to use a Random Generator to decide?


If this were an earlier round, I would have broken the tie by looking at previous voting history (like the method I used in the first Wild Card round).

But given that this is the final round, I would rather have a run-off vote to break any ties.

Time stamp of when I ended the last round was:

September 24, 2016 05:05 PM

So I will end this round today, September 26, 2015, at 5:05 PM my time (give or take a few minutes). I will be rushing out of work around that time.

If we do end up with a tie, we will have a run-off vote only with the characters who have tied.

Which I think Set predicted, given his post wink

Originally Posted by Set
Run out the clock, thoth! Leave it a two-way tie between Dr. Fate and the Huntress!

All our hopes and dreams lie with you!

No pressure...



Oh, much pressure, thothy. Much pressure tongue

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Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10)
Invisible Brainiac #910720 09/25/16 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
Arm Fall Off Boy called. He wants a team-up smile


Just who I was thinking of.

Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
Thoth: are you open to bribery?


In unrelated news, the going rate in almond slices has rocketed just recently.


Originally Posted by Set
Run out the clock, thoth! Leave it a two-way tie between Dr. Fate and the Huntress! All our hopes and dreams lie with you! No pressure...


I toyed with it. But then you gave me the opportunity to crush hopes *and* dreams, which is too good to pass up. smile

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Oh, much pressure, thothy. Much pressure tongue


I'm like Blok in #3 of the TMK run. Collapsed into rubble.



I did think about voting for Ma Hunkel to make it a 3 way tie. But my experience with the character is limited to a Who's Who entry and All Star #3. I don't think I really appreciated Shelly Moldoff's humour the way I should have. How could they let this character almost join the JSA, li'l thoth probably thought as the laughs shot past in a clown car on it's way to funsville.

So, I don't think I'd be fair on the other two if my vote went to someone I'd not supported in the previous rounds.




Some thoughts on the remaining two...

Doctor Fate

“Who is Doctor Fate?
Student of ancient mysteries that were partially destroyed when Caesar burned Alexandria’s library; delver into the unknown science of the occult and the weird; alchemist and physicist extraordinary – Doctor Fate has learned the ultimate secret of the universe – the true conversion of energy into matter and matter into energy!”

There’s not an ankh in sight in Fate’s first appearance. We’re thrown right into the action (take that modern comics!) as Wotan, and the cult he’s part of, attempts to kill Inza to get at his rival. His power over energy and matter make him overly powerful, but it’s an even match against Wotan. In the end Fate throws his nemesis off a building.

“See what new experience death will bring you Wotan! Good-Bye!”

To check if Wotan is dead, Fate goes off to the underworld in the next issue, rather than just checking for a smudge on the pavement from the window.

But that’s all part of the Golden Age fun. It’s grim and silly in equal measures as he fights gorillas, zombies and aliens in the space of a few issues. His origin toys with atomic power, as it shifts regularly between science and mysticism. He moves from the adolescent I-Can-Only-Save-The-World-By-Being-At-Least-10-Feet-Away-From-All-Women-Even-Though-They-Adore-Me approach that most of the heroes had, to at least revealing his origin to Inza. He’s very much a mix between Superman and More Fun’s own Spectre.

In later years, Doctor Fate would appear in so many JLA crossovers, that he ended up with more appearances than some of the actual members of the team.

When Crisis saw to the end of the JSA’s tenure, Doctor Fate, along with Power Girl and the Star Spangled Kid were kept. DC saw publishing opportunities with them, as they hadn’t really been replaced to the degree that a lot of the originals had.

It was fitting that Andy Helfer’s JLA team of Legends (Maguire’s rendition of Fate is particularly good) would have him in there, and he’s had a number of ongoings and minis since. So, for a guy who’s power can unbalance a story, he’s been around reasonably consistently over the years.



Huntress
Huntress, on the other hand, didn’t get nearly as many comic appearances as she should have done.

I just reread her first appearance (alongside the All-Stars issue) recently, as DC Super Stars 17 has the first case of the Legion, and was part of the rereads thread. In the text page, the idea seems to have started with Bob Layton and then Joe Staton, both of whom wanted another female member of the JSA team. Staton created the visual, and Paul Levitz (yay!) the story with input from Joe Orlando.

Blackmailed by what turns out to be false information, Catwoman performs a last crime having reformed and married Bruce Wayne. She, and the gang, are foiled by Batman who comes out of retirement only to see his wife killed by a stray shot (a shot caused by him kicking the gunman’s arm). Helena Wayne hunts down the gang’s leader and brings him to justice. Hopefully, she made sure that the information that the blackmail was based on false information made it back to her dad.

It’s a much more focused origin than a lot of the JSAers and with striking visuals from Staton that give her a very distinctive look. Beyond that, the All-Stars and a very occasional Wonder Woman comic, I’ve not read too many of the Huntress’ stories. She fitted in seamlessly in the JLA/JSA crossovers she appeared in following her debut, even if they were up against the likes of the New Gods.

The implosion took away opportunities for a lot of characters to expand. Then, like Superman & Batman in both the JSA & JLA, she and Power Girl were on the side lines of the large Infinity Inc cast.

That coincided with the planning for Crisis. We saw her story in the reformed Earth and her fate wasn’t far away (don’t look Ibby!)

Although she had the lineage of Batman and the name of a Golden Age villain, Helena always seemed a lot stronger than her origins. She was a capable, smart crime fighter with a career and the self-assurance to stand in a team of Golden Age legends.

I think I read that Levitz and Staton took advantage of the Crisis, as they wanted to rework the character themselves. I can’t recall if it was perhaps due to DC’s changing creator rights/ royalties. But, it was clear that they saw the Huntress as being a character more than capable of standing on her own.

I didn’t read to many of the revamped Huntress issues, but I don’t think it’s any coincidence that it’s Helena who’s been back with us more recently.



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thoth lad #910725 09/25/16 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by thoth lad
Huntress Beyond that, the All-Stars and a very occasional Wonder Woman comic, I’ve not read too many of the Huntress’ stories.


Her stint as Wonder Woman's backup feature was quite lengthy, spanning WW 271-221 (with occasional absences allowing for some full-length WW adventures). That's over 4 years! I think she probably would have graduated to her own mag if not for Crisis sealing her fate. When I was a kid, I bought a few issues of WW just for the Huntress backup! The Huntress: Darknight Daughter TPB collects all of the Levitz-scripted backups and DC Superstars 17.


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