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Mr.Terrific is an example of a "legacy" (at least in codename) that is more interesting and well-known than the original. He is extremely intelligent, is good at robotics, and has displayed a good head for leadership. His costume nods to the past, while being completely original and modern.

Happy to see us engaging in discussion about the characters! We had a lot of that in JLA Idol, and I hope we have more of that here in JSA Idol too.



Michael Holt - I agree with Emily, I always found him much more interesting than Terry. Michael was smart, but we saw that many more practical appliacations of that intelligence than we did in Terry.

Cyclone - she was sweet. I empathized with her "atypical depression", her tendency to embarrass herself by babbling on and on, and her "uncool" hobbies. She was a big fan of Wicked, one of my favorite musicals. I love her wind powers, how she used them to great effect such as letting the whole team fly

Ma Hunkle - plucky housewife puts on a costume to fight thugs harassing her neighborhood. So endearing. She did well enough to be noticed by the JSA. She went into witness protection for decades because she testified against some mob members, this involved faking her own death and keeping away from her own children (!) to protect them. The JSA thought so highly of her that when she finally felt she could come out of hiding (because all the mob members had died), they made her their museum curator and housekeeper.

She reminds me so much of my own grandma.

I'm sure Dave can give you more about Ystina. I've never read comics with her in it. She seems to have an interesting backstory, though.

As for E2 Robin, I did like him in the few issues I read as well. A grown up Robin, anyway.



Happy to see you joining in, Jfposey! And thanks to whomever explained the rules. A nice mix of eras on your list; pleasantly surprised to see a vote for Anna Fortune. I did like her short time in JSA All-Stars.

So your new list would be:

1. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
2. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
3. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
4. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
5. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)

Do you want to change your ranking as well? #1 gets way more points than #5, for example.

Thanks for the thoughts on those, guys. I quite liked the idea behind Terry Sloane being so naturally good at things that he got no enjoyment out of life whatsoever. It subverted a lot of the other bored millionaire playboy origins. Typing that, there's actually a good modern parallel behind depression striking people from anywhere in society, no matter how their lives are perceived by others.

I'm quite sure this doesn't cross the writers minds, but when Terry walks into a room as Mr Terrific, I think there's a bit of self depreciating humour behind it. It's a name to remind him of how bad being terrific was, and what he's putting the mask on for.

I know there was some tragedy and suicidal tendencies in his origins, but could the name also apply in the same way for him?

He's a really strong character. You could easily see his personality in a number of roles.Michael Holt: Batman or Michael Holt: Hourman etc. work just as well in my head for him as Mister Terrific.

I've not read a huge amount of Cyclone. I wasn't a huge fan of some of the raison d'êtres behind the DC teams, so the younger legacy characters weren't quite as interesting and the cast size didn't help fro me.

I 've read even less on Ma Hunkle, beyond the Golden Age appearances. It's nice that she's getting some overdue coverage. Ibby's connection on a personal level makes a lot more sense as to why's she's on the list for me, so thanks very much for that.

Thanks also for sharing some background on Terry, thoth. That makes him stand out from the field of rich talented non-powered heroes. I do recall a story where Terry went to pieces witnessing an Allied army attack on a German village during WWII. It humanized him a lot.

Spoke with jfposey and he did indeed want to change his ranking to:


So that's:

1. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
2. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
3. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
4. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
5. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)

1. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
2. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
3. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
4. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
5. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)

Alan was an inspirational character for me as a child. My uncle, who was an artist, drew my first superhero character for me and that was Alan. I was thrilled. He was awesome. He had a sidekick who was not a teenage boy and to almost anything with his ring. Except wood. Hero has to have a weakness. He brings such great memories that he will be always #1.

Kent would not be so low on my list either if the question was for the Mystics. He would then be #1.

Jay should be #2 but Helena is my #1 female vote here. She's badass and knows it.

Jay is the epitome of a hero. But Michael's T spheres and his intelligence make him awesome and he like Terry had that tragic suicide depression due to great loss. There is a inner depth to his character that makes him seem to be able to command your attention. I loved Terry and the other Golden Age members. But Michael represents the future. An African-American character who can be a true hero for his community. Yes, he is incredibly rich but he cares for others with passion. He was an excellent choice to being the new Mr. Terrific and carrying on Terry's legacy.

^ Great reminiscence JFP!

And I agree re: Mr Terrific. He is easily the best of all of the post-Crisis legacy JSA characters in my opinion.

And pre-Crisis Huntress was a truly special character too.

I know her post-Crisis counter-part is really popular in some circles but they are two totally different characters and in my opinion, the second has never come close to matching the spirit and tragedy of the original.

He has his place of honor in my collection. Sorry about the grainy quality of the photo.

I agree. Their personalities are quite different too. I like both but would never consider them the same character.

I don't think I've seen that. You do wonder what goes through the mind of someone whose supposedly good at anything, but who looks out at such a flawed world.

Great memories Jfp. Like the other Idols I've been part of, when it gets down to this level, any one of these would make for a fine winner.

It was in the Justice Society Returns mini series where they fought the Stalker.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Justice_Society_Returns

Pretty interesting, that only half our top 10 were top vote-getters in the first round!

Those with the broadest bases don't always reach the highest peaks.

I really thought Danette Reilly was going to burn up the charts. She was on fire!

(I'm not sorry.)

Yeah, she unexpectedly crashed and burned.

Ooh, that's dirty.

Or not, but it's funner if it is.

Wise Man thoth had shed light on the early eliminations of many top vote getters in Round 1.

Thank you Ibby. Set, please report to the Shameless Hussy thread. Honestly, there hadn't even been time for a religion to be built on my wisdom, never mind the resultant obligatory sex scandal.

I bet Set is burning up at being called a Shameless Hussy

Alas, thoth's profound quote will now forever be tainted.

Round ends later tonight. And I think you will all be surprised at my next round

I loved just about everything about the re-imagined Seven Soldiers, but Ystina was especially cool because she had such a great arc: Hiding her gender to serve her kingdom, unrequited love for Gallahad, her despair at losing Camelot, and then overcoming that to rise again against the Sheeda Queen (and Gallahad). She also had the best premise to continue her story in modern times (sadly no one picked up that torch). I also really like the idea of Camelot as recurring archetype, so that she and Justin didn't conflict (would have loved to see a meeting between them). And Vanguard ("Horse Feathers") was cool to boot.

Ditto. Ystina is (IMO) the best of the SSOV that Morrison conceived

I was also a huge fan of Morrison's SSoV series (with the exception of the disappointing final issue) but [small voice] Ystina was my least favourite member.

I didn't dislike her, and the gender twist was interesting, but I just couldn't reconcile how this new Shining Knight, with all of the same props and backstory as the original Shining Knight, could co-exist in the same universe as him.

Dave says they didn't conflict though so maybe I missed something? Even if they didn't though, I don't like it when new characters come along and just needlessly undermine and steal everything that was interesting and unique about another character [see also: my great dislike of Shikari].

If Bulleteer was still in this game I would totally be throwing points her way.

Thanks for the thoughts on Ystina, particularly as my post could be read as I thought Justin was somehow the much better character. I wasn't a huge fan of his, really.

Pulling overtime today. Will end the round a tad later than usual.