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You know... given that the cartoon is seen by many times more people than ever read the comic, there's a good chance that it'll have far more impact on the future of the Legion any "in-continuity" version.

And that's actually fine with me.

Season Two Spoilers from today\'s panel .

btw, kind of glad to see Waid as EIC at Boom Studios. I was worried about him having a supervision role at DC. Ofcourse he was editor during some of my favorite Legion stories.

I forgot to pop in here and remind everyone... I'm blogging the SDCC from my kitchen table too over at the Legion Omnicom .

Day 1 : animated show news, Countdown, Group Therapy

Day 2 : DC/Mattel panel, Batman/Legion shows, DC Nation

Outdoor Miner and I talked to both Dennis Calero and Chris Batista for a while today. Chris in particular is a crazy-well versed Legion fan and had all sorts of awesome ideas that he wanted to explore during his run on Legion. Definitely worth picking his brain more later in in this thread here. Outdoor got a wicked Wildfire sketch from Chris that he'll hopefully show/post some time. Dennis said that Tenz has a cool moment in the next issue of Legion and that he's having a lot of fun and would love to keep working on the book past his initially scheduled arc.

I don't know about anyone else but with the exception of 2 or 3 good books (Green Lantern, JLA, JSA) I'm probably more dissatisfied with the DCU right now than at any time other than after Zero Hour - when I stopped collecting comics completely for about 2 years. (Until the Reboot Legion pulled me back in funnily enough.)

So in my mind, the best possible scenario for the Legion and everything else in the DCU is a TOTAL and COMPLETE company-wide reboot after 'Final Crisis'. No more bending over backwards to explain that Wonder Woman is a JLA founder, until suddenly she isn't before deciding that actually she is again; or that Jor-el and Lara were happy loving parents to Kal-el before they became cold, emotionless strangers until they were suddenly a little bit of both. Or that this Legion is the DCU's future. No wait this one is. Or this one. It's all just a mess.

I seriously doubt they would actually do something that bold though. Not with all the new storylines they have coming up and the comic numberings being so high. But if they are going to reboot or deboot or anythingboot something - pleeeeeeeeeease let it be the Legion!

I'm sorry to the fans of this version but I find it to be incomprehensibly awful and I have serious trouble understanding how anyone could think any different.

The book still sells a fairly decent number though so I'm sure there must be those who do so. More than who would buy a partially debooted Crisis-era Legion? I doubt it. But I'm not sure that's really the answer either.

I think the only hope this book has is, yes, another reboot.
* Start all over.
* Forget all the weak and uninspired changes Waid and Kitson made to the Legion mythos and take it back to its roots.
* Use top name creators (there's enough of them out there who've expressed an interest in this book).
* Give us characters we care about and stories that excite us.
* Keep the fundamentals of the book as close to its recognisable and proven Adventure/70s/Levitz eras set-up and spin new stories from there.
* Batman/JLA/Teen Titans/etc have all stayed their strongest over the years when they stuck to the formula that the readers want to see from them - the Legion needs to do the same.
* The Reboot Legion actually had this formula SOOOOOooo right until Waid left and PMS started writing the book for 5 year-olds. (What happened to THAT Mark Waid?)

I know nearly everyone would probably be burned out by yet another Legion reboot (maybe even me included), thus doing one for just the Legion would probably be franchise suicide. That's why it's my opinion that the whole DCU needs to be rebooted letting this team's 4th reboot be an acceptable occurrence going along with that.

For the Legion to LIVE, the DCU must DIE! (How's that for a tagline? )

Blacula, if they just reboot everything again? Well I'm with you with Wonder Woman and Superman, etc.

Heck I'm with you about JSA, GL, and JLA being their best three titles by far.

But I just think another reboot will hurt. They just had a sublte reboot it seems. Superman suddently has a new origin and no one one knows it. And it's probably much like his old origin.

Didio said something that I like but scares me. He wants to put forth the best known variation of each character. That sounds good for Superman/Wonder Woman. But what about Hawkman/girl or the Legion? Scary.

MEL, that sounds awesome! Didn't know Batista was such a Legion fan! You gotta spill the beans about some of his ideas.

Anyone see this?

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=11396

http://www.newsarama.com/Comic-Con_07/DC/DCU_NewWorlds.html

Thanks Paul. I didn't know three different versions were going to appear in Action!?

Asked at the DC "Big Guns" panel according to http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php



We previously learned that the Lightning Saga Legion fights separatism and xenophobia in the future. While the kids vs. adults premise obviously won't apply to them, the galactic socio-political backdrop seems to be as important to the LS Legion as it is to the WaK Legion, and may be a clue why Superman is persona non grata in the 31st century. It's implied his name is mud -- maybe oldtime super-heroism isn't valued by their society, either. Possibly something even darker and more depressing. It's clearly not going to be a "happy" take on the Legion, in any event.

Heck, maybe one of his decendants (Laurel Kent?!!!) turns out to be a super villain and destroys the family name!

Neither did I, Jorge. That was the only place I saw it mentioned...Until I checked out Michael's Legion Omnicom this morning and saw this:

So maybe I get to see reboot Vi again. Cool!

According to the Wizard report of the DC Nation panel , Geoff Johns hesitated a bit when he was asked the question.
Maybe it's really 2.5 Legions. One is kind of halfassed.

i dunno. i'm bored by the continuity questions and would rather just get some content. some meat on those bones. remember when the TMK 5 year gap got hijacked by having to give up Mon-El for Valor and we got Laurel Gand and Comet Kid, changed to Kid Quantum, and many storylines explaining the differences in continuity. UGH. that does not attract new readers. as soon as you play that game of trying to placate the old fanbase, you lose.

Good point, GN. Good stories can absolve a wealth of continuity sins.

I hear you, but the problem is,the old fan base seems to be the only ones buying the book. None of the subsequent reboots has been a commercial success.

And when you look at DC in the past few years, what have they done?... the brought back classic characters from the 60s like Hal Jordan or Adam Strange and brethed new life in them. So if I were DC, I would attempt the same with LSH as it worked for others before.
As for continuity, with the "Infinite Crisis" and "New Earth" (not the 5YL version), we could have the best of both worlds: the classic Legion without the burden of continuity for new readers, without having to invalidate too much of what happened before for the fanbase.

Heh.

I dunno, from the hesitation I got the feeling it was more whether he should reveal the reboot Legion was still out there or not, but then decided it was pointless to keep it a secret.

You're probably right but I couldn't resist.

Putting together all the teasers, the bigger picture is certainly becoming clearer.

Legion of Three Worlds? (partially speculative)

1. Lightning Saga Legion
(Confirmed in JSA #6. The solicitation for Action #858, and writer Geoff Johns, referred to it as "the original Legion".)

2. An unspecified Legion that is widely believed to be, or to closely resemble, the post-Zero Hour Legion last seen on Earth-247 in Infinite Crisis #6. Starman's ramblings name XS and two other "Thoms". According to an SDCC teaser from Dan Didio, Conner Kent may be in one of the Legions, and this version seems the most probable one.

(Some speculation has the former Earth-247 Legion on Kingdom Come Earth-22, where Starman was trapped for a time before his first apppearance in JSA. The 1996 Kingdom Come LSH, according to the Waid/Ross annotations, was very similar to the post-ZH Legion, with the notable additions of a Superboy and Supergirl who were not the pre-Crisis originals. It should also be noted that Geoff John's next major JSA arc involves the Kingdom Come Superman, a fact that lends some credence to this hypothesis.)

3. 3boot/post-IC Legion
(Confirmed at SDCC as one of the two Legions that Batman has met. The meeting in question is depicted by Mark Waid in "The Brave & the Bold" #5, which takes place before Batman encounters members of the Lightning Saga Legion in the JLA/JSA crossover. Previously stated/assumed to be the New Earth Legion and the future of the DCU, particularly because of Supergirl's presence in their century, their actual home universe is presently uncertain. The as yet unrevealed New Earth-1 is one of many possibilities.)

Unless I'm reading it wrong, the implication seems to be there are *only* three Legions in the Multiverse. If this is true, I'm kind of disappointed. I have no interest in seeing other previous continuities (TMK) or elseworlds versions (Superboy's Legion) again, but I'd love the chance to see some *new* Legions that never existed before.

well, just because this 'crisis' only involves three doesn't mean there are only three.

It depends on what "floating around" means. I assume Johns was taking it to mean either "How many Legions have we seen in recent stories?" or "How many Legions are there plans for?" then the answer is, presumably, two for the former question and three for the latter. If it means "How many Legions are there in the multiverse?", I doubt there's an established answer to that question. From what I understand, they've only planned out about half the 52 worlds thus far.

At this point in time I think it's more three Legions that we know of.

I think its still a possibility that there are other versions of the Legion out there....Just ones we haven't seen as yet. According to the latest issue of Countdown, a lot of the other worlds are based on the most popular Elseworlds titles. My guess would be that one of those will turn out to be the Earth that appeared in "JLA: The Nail". And wasn't there a Superboy's Legion tie-in or cameo in the sequel?

My guess is they will try and do the same thing with the TMK Legion as well....Find a suitable story, with similar overtones and create a "world" of several stories that don't upset each other's continuity too much.

It's been mentioned by Dan Didio that they have all 52 Earths planned out....They just haven't revealed all of them yet.

Yep, that was me. And man, let me tell ya, walking around all day in what amounts to a full body sweater with a hood, in the dead of summer ... little unpleasant.

The things I do for my love of the Super Pets