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Re: Legion news at SDCC...
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Originally posted by Matthew E: [QUOTE]Although I don't insist that DC stick with the threeboot; I think they should go with whatever version makes the best commercial and artistic sense... but have the other versions available for use as appropriate. I don't think it's the best solution, but I think it's the best available solution. And I totally agree with this one comment.
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Originally posted by Ultra Jorge: Infact, I wouldn't mind if they announce a Legion Infinity title and each issue focuses on a different Legion. It's nothing against other Legions. I actually think that might be the best available option at this point. A "Legion Classified" kind of title. Honestly, while I tend to think a title featuring the pre-Crisis Legion would probably outsell the current title, I don't think it's going to sell that much, unless it's just All-Star Superman level good or they really make it central to the "Final Crisis" event or whatever (and I'm actually thinking fans are getting burnt out on events, so that might not help).
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Originally posted by Ultra Jorge: Infact, I wouldn't mind if they announce a Legion Infinity title and each issue focuses on a different Legion. It's nothing against other Legions. I'd be okay with that, but: 1. I don't think it would work as the Legion's main title, because you wouldn't be able to tell real long-term stories the way they do these days. 2. It would work better as a secondary or companion title, like a Classified or something, but I'm not sure the market's there for a third monthly Legion comic. But if they did it, I'd buy it.
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I've never been a Titans follower.
I'm curious -- how did the Titans toon and toon-based book affect the main Titans title when it was at the stage that LSH is in right now?
Was there something successsful there that might serve as a model for LSH or something to avoid?
My preference -- which is about as likely to occur as Speedo day in the office on Fridays --
3 Legions:
(1) 'toon /Johnny DC Legion
(2) Lightning Saga legion to interact in the 21st century with every bloody DCU title they can get into
(3) The LSH (Supergirl-less) as a somewhat more adult-themed, well written, consistently-drawn book, with limited interaction with the mega-crossover-Crisis-to-end-all-Crises-event-of-the-month in the DC mainstream. I like the Calero/Bedard look and tone.
It's Friday, let me find that Speedo.
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I wouldn't hold out hope for a LSH:Classified or "Infinity" type book after Didio's statement at the Countdown panel yesterday. We're governing it very tightly,” DiDio said, explaining that multiverse stories will all be about New Earth characters traveling to other worlds to explore them and that there will not be multiple versions of series taking place on different Earths. A "Legion of Three Worlds" story would probably pass muster under that policy, but a multi-earth Legion monthly, or concurrent Legion books set on different worlds, are highly unlikely.
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I think DC should have a main title and think the Legion Infinity should be a multiverse title. Legion of Super-Heroes Legion Acadmey Science Police Legion Infinity This is the Legion titles I want. They should be a FRANCHISE!
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Originally posted by Matthew E: 1. I don't think it would work as the Legion's main title, because you wouldn't be able to tell real long-term stories the way they do these days.
I'd count that as an advantage.
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Originally posted by He Who Wanders: "Kari Wahlgren is returning as Saturn Girl, and she is also voicing Duo Damsel instead of Triplicate Girl. Somthing happens to the character early in Season 2."
Can you say "Computo," boys and girls?
Interesting that there's no mention of Chuck. I guess we're not going to see more of his term as leader. Gee I wonder what happens to Triplicate Girl that she becomes Duo Damsel? I wonder if the guy voicing Bouncing Boy left. He really turned me off at last years con when the cartoon and the voice actors were being introduced "I bounce" Said kind of sarcasticly.
Big Dog! Big Dog! Bow Wow Wow!
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I agree EDE. I think most stories should be 1 or 2 issues. Maybe once a year have a big bad 3 issue story. This should be an event and not used more than once a year. Ofcourse subplots running amok in the background. Usually we care more about what Vi said to Dirk versus what villain is attacking.
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From Newsarama : The next question dealt with the names of the Legion ofSuper-Heroes characters - the more traditional "Lightning Lad" versus the more "modern" Livewire - and if it was "a necessary evil" to getback to the more traditional names. DiDio said he likes to go back towhat people remember most, using the example of Supergirl - people remember her as Superman's cousin, not as any of the other iterations ofthe character. "What do people remember most, what do people react tothe most" is what's important, and building a contemporary world around them.
The panelists chipped in on their opinions on the issues, with Simone saying "it's all good to me" and saying she likes both, McKeever saying that it's best to focus on "the substance over the flash," and Berganza joking that he prefers "whatever the boss tells me."
DiDio pointed to an audience member dressed up as Krypto (and by extension, the character's lingering popularity) as an example that people still care about older ideas in the DC Universe. Could that have been our own Kryptatu? This one is from The Pulse : Yes - we are going to see even more versions of the 52 Earth's versions of the future Legion of Super-Heroes. Conner Kent may also play a part in one of these scenarios. ========== Posted from my BlackBerry
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I personally think Conner Kent is still in the mix. I still think it was him who appeared in the LS in shadows.
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The problem has become so prevalent that I really just want a great solution with good stories.
But a mix of continuities will never work unless there is one main Legion title with a single continuity, and all other titles grow from that. How we get there is the question. I really think this is a pretty practical line of thinking, even if I might wish differently.
*If* the Lightning Saga Legion became the main Legion title, I would not object and even defend the notion of 'moving on with it' though, I won't lie about that.
I've also come to realize that even the 'talking about fixing the Legion problem' is discouraging about comics in general to me these days. That's how far its come. I'm just so tired about stories that are about continuity problems rather than stories are just good stories.
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I personally miss the time-honored fanboy debates where I'd rally for Monstress' death, people would call me mean-spirited and then Dan and Andy actually did it and I cheered
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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: I personally miss the time-honored fanboy debates where I'd rally for Monstress' death, people would call me mean-spirited and then Dan and Andy actually did it and I cheered I tried that with KQII and instead they made her Rokk's girlfriend.
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What if they had made KQII Monstress' girlfriend? Would that have satisfied you and Cobie?
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hey i loved monstress and kidq2 YOU BOTH ARE HEARTLESS iNTERPLANETARY BANK BEASTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bring back the super-cousins
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Originally posted by Quislet, Esq.: What if they had made KQII Monstress' girlfriend? Would that have satisfied you and Cobie? Not me, although I didn't hate Monstress as much as most. But if she had been made the girlfriend of just one of Lu's bodies...
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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: I personally miss the time-honored fanboy debates where I'd rally for Monstress' death, people would call me mean-spirited and then Dan and Andy actually did it and I cheered you're mean.
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Personally, I hated Monstress until the Legion of the Damned. I liked KQII- not as much as KQI- but the whole romance with Rokk seemed forced and really kinda creepy. When she was elected leader she went thru a total personality change and I was not impressed. She was better when she was slightly anti-establishment and would often have a critical eye on the Legion.
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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: I've also come to realize that even the 'talking about fixing the Legion problem' is discouraging about comics in general to me these days. That's how far its come. I'm just so tired about stories that are about continuity problems rather than stories are just good stories. That's where I'm at now. I like Shikari & Gates, but they've been rebooted out. Time to accept it and move on. I like the new Legion too. At this point, any talk of the old LSH should be fond memories, not requests. It only hurts the current book. Let this series live on its own merits.
Just spouting off.
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To be completely honest, I think we're witnessing the death throws of the traditional American comic industry in its current form. The 'Legion problem' is just symptomatic of the 'comic problem' more generally.
I'm just hoping the Legion will survive into whatever new form the medium takes once the present state of things collapses.
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Not much between despair and ecstacy
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Originally posted by Superboy-Supergirl: hey i loved monstress and kidq2 YOU BOTH ARE HEARTLESS iNTERPLANETARY BANK BEASTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey! I resemble that remark.
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'comic problem'
Over $3 for five minutes is a problem. If a $3 book can't keep me occupied for at least a half hour, reading and looking at the art, then it's a problem and monthly issues that can do that are pretty rare these days. There's little content in the writing and the art and writing are redundant.
A good modern comic is one I can look at without reading and get one story and read without looking at the art and get another. A great issue is one where I can a third story from the combined effort.
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When people refer to the "Legion Problem," I hear uncomfortable echoes in the back of my mind of the "Jewish Problem," as defined by the Nazis. And we all know what their "Final Solution" was.
Eryk may have a point that the comics industry itself in on the verge of extermination. I, for one, have no interest in paying three bucks for a regular issue of the same quality as the last Legion comic I picked up (# 31 of the current series). I don't imagine I'm alone in this. If this is the case, it makes all of these discussions about multiple versions pointless since the comics industry is not expanding its readership. Instead, it is catering to a small (and probably shrinking) fan base, while the general public neither knows nor cares about the Legion, let alone which version should be preferred.
The question that should be addressed, therefore, is not which version of the Legion (if any) will appeal to the most fans, but rather how do you get non-fans to care about the Legion in the numbers that cared back when sales were expanding?
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Originally posted by Blockade Boy: Over $3 for five minutes is a problem. If a $3 book can't keep me occupied for at least a half hour, reading and looking at the art, then it's a problem and monthly issues that can do that are pretty rare these days. There's little content in the writing and the art and writing are redundant.
Coincidentally, you posted this while I was drafting my post, above. I agree completely. This is exactly the lack of quality I was referring to. I'm tired of spending three bucks for one-sixth of a story (if that). With gas prices escalating, it makes less and less sense to spend that much on a comic book.
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