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Also, I am enjoying the series. However little points like this make me enjoy it not as much as I could.

This is definitely a series in which the more you think about it the less you'll enjoy it.

Honestly, as a comics fan, we're used to suspending disbelief, so why do otherwise for TV?

In any case I think the great things about Flash far exceed its shortcomings.

Also true of ARROW. For the most part, for me it's like I just sit back and enjoy that it is even happening at all.

WASH OVER ME, FLASH & ARROW... like a great big ol bubblebath!

SCREAM QUEENS is the show I'm enjoying putting tons of thought into right now believe it or not.

Finally caught the rest of last season's finale with tonight's rerun, would be lying if I didn't admit Barry's reunion with his mom made me tear up a little.

CW's The Flash is still my favorite soap opera.

No spoilers here, but much deep pathos and near-weeping in the premiere episode. Also pretty good bad special effects.

And how do you resolve an irresolvable time paradox? Just ignore it!

I'm still back at the second episode of the first season.I really need to get around to giving it a second chance.

There I was, trolling the internet, minding my own business, when I come across the new Vixen animated series on CWSeed.

Seven episodes, five minutes each.

I have to say, Arrow and Flash look great as cartoons.

When I say trolling, I mean like fishing.

Loved the homage to the classic "Flash of Two Worlds" cover in the new ep! Little bummed that Jay was sans super powers, though.

I was a good episode, but this is the 2nd episode in a row where Barry kills the bad guy. I'm not digging this turn of events.

I loved the "On another Earth, Detective West might be a nobel-prize winning physicist" (you know, like he is in the comics) bit. I had a few moments a fear that the villain was going to turn out to be Sandy Hawkins, which would really have annoyed me.

There's still a lot of bits that frustrate me about this show, but, yeah, it's hard not to geek out at the Flash of Two Worlds homage.

The helmet is cool.

Barry (and Jay) killing without a second thought is a problem but then I'm not enamored with the Rogues either.

Terrific ending though.

Seems like a lot of meta-humans died in season 1, too.

Everyman, Multiplex, Blackout, Plastique, Deathbolt, and Girder.

Caitlin Raymond is taking her recent widowhood pretty well, putting the moves on Jay. But then, everybody is pretty clinically depressed all the time on this show, so I imagine they could be pretty good at dealing with situational depression as well.

And Barry and Iris are back to being just really good friends? For a show that's all about changes in the New 52 universe, nothing ever really changes. I guess, with Earth-1 that really makes 53, though.

My problem is Barry is old enough to have gone through college and have been on the job a couple of years at least, and yet he's "learning lessons" like a teenager.

Barry was always a bit old for his age. This views a lot more like Wally than Barry a lot of the time.

He also looks like he's about 18.

But, yeah, I've said from the beginning that to enjoy this show you have to ignore the fact that they just pretty much stuck the name "Barry Allen" on a character who has very little to do with the guy from the comics.

Sums it up pretty good. Oddly, the Jay actor would have made a decent Barry.

"I've said from the beginning that to enjoy this show you have to ignore the fact that they just pretty much stuck the name "Barry Allen" on a character who has very little to do with the guy from the comics."

They used the "Arrow" model-- where it's not just Barry or Oliver, but a whole team working together to support the "hero".

And the focus is on the relationships between the team members-- to the point of becoming soap-opera-esque.

But look at how successful soap operas have been over the years!

Same model is going to be used in the upcoming Supergirl. Supergirl's "squad" includes Jimmy Olsen, Winslow Schott, Jr., Alexandra Danvers, and she maybe ends up working for an entire government agency.

Again, not like in the comics. This is a different universe.

My problem with killing all the super-villains is that that the creators are not really thinking very creatively about Barry's powers. With the resources of Star Labs behind him, he ought to be able to safely contain and imprison his opponents. There have been references to the idea that Central City itself is also developing some ability to deal with and imprison meta-humans.

The deaths last season weren't great either, but they were situational and for the most part understandable. This season has been different so far. "Sorry I couldn't risk you hurting anyone else." Really?

And this week's "Hey let's just turn him to glass!" "Cool, then we can smash him!"

It's of course a by-product of lazy writing so they can't tell Barry any more about Zoom or where the portals are, but it's been grating.

I am becoming a little disappointed in Season Two.

I can forgive the silly pseudo-science. Captain Cold’s gun freezes lasers into ice? OK. Cisco’s machine looks for “ultra-violet cold signatures” instead of “infra-red heat signatures”? Dumb, but OK.

But the fundamentals of the show, the personal relationships, are just becoming unbelievable.

“So for nearly my whole life, you told me Mom is dead, but she’s actually just a dope fiend who took twenty years to dry out? Great! Thanks! When can we get all together? Can we have cake?”

“Captain Cold, I told you to stop killing people. Well, now that you only tried to murder me once this episode, and also murdered YOUR OWN FATHER maybe now I can trust you to start murdering the only the right people, and be a hero, like me.”

And Caitlin + Jay = Weird, but maybe that’s just me.

Ultra-violet cold is solid science, whether they know it or not. I suspect they do, at least superficially or I can't imagine why they'd set themselves up like that. Sci-fi writers are usually pretty savvy.

I'm on board though with some of the personal relationships, particularly Caitlin + Jay, "weird" being a great description and the smiley faced, he can be redeemed interview. Most of the others pretty good, better than in the past season and I think the attempt at parallel between the Snarts and Jesse was well done, plus it gave Martin a chance to do some real acting.


Not to pile on, I think they are finally starting to nail the Captain Cold character but the path they took to get him there was a fail. The father hate and close resulting relationship with sister was ALL they ever needed. Adding the "lives by a code" is a little revisionist considering what they'd already done with the character. Killing his father, I get. All the others? No.

Loved the opening sequence The actors I didn't think could act, are starting to learn. Barry's chemistry with Patty is promising but it helps that he seems to be interacting with a real actor now.


I'm liking the show more and more.

On the CW app, they keep advertising this show with the exchange between Jay and Barry about "They call you the Scarlet Speedster? I'm the Crimson Comet!" which amuses me because of how horribly inaccurate it those nicknames are for the actual colors of their costumes. So now I'm trying to think of an alliterative nickname that begins "the Bergundy..."

The Maroon Missile?

The Firestorm episode was a step back in the right direction (though I laughed at the scene with the Flash costume right out in the open while they were talking to Hewitt). I can only assume they couldn't get the same actor who played Jason Rusch in Season 1 back (but why not recast him?). Jefferson Jackson's a pretty obscure Firestorm character to bring into the fold.

King Shark was great!

One step closer to Wally, which made my kids jump up and down and dance a lot when the brother came up.

The Burgundy Blur?

The Careening Carmine Conflagration?