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Big fan of both those series, though Crisis dealt a huge blow to them.

In retrospect, I can see that they have flaws, but to a young kid reading comics in the 80s and discovering the wonderful Golden Age/Earth-2 mythology, they were total love!

Agreed. Infinity and All-Star are both pretty darned terrific. I actually like how Roy tried to make lemonade out of the lemons Crisis handed to him, especially with the Young All-Stars.

The Infinity Inc. team is a favorite of mine. Even though I only read a few issues with them in it, I liked all of them.

On Auntie, I thought his Perez reveal was a good panel. Certainly an ominous look, and that skull look reinforced the deaths of universe we had seen.

Taking on Supergirl in single combat has to be up there (poor Kara). I might have read that before I'd seen her tackling Darkseid. It's much more the combat than the death that's impressive.

His sheer power at taking the Earth into his own universe and the big, final battle. His persistence at not being defeated.

Arm wrestling the Spectre at the dawn of time. Just typing that. Wow!

'Course, that's all fresh from that first read of Crisis. Rereads have highlighted some flaws but, hey, nothing's perfect.

Yups, Crisis really took the steam out of All Star (declining sales anyway) and Infinity (and Legion a little later).

I picked up the early issues of Infinity in one go. The writing was verbose, even by the official Claremont scale. The dialogue was stuck in a previous age, and was pretty clunky. The plots seemed to constantly look back to earlier Golden Age stories, and we would often be reminded of them.

But that regular reminder of Golden Age characters and stories was how you got to learn about that era of comics. America v the JSA was pretty much your one stop shop for the entire All-Star run. And it had a decent story too.

As backwards looking as some of the plots were, that didn't make them poor. There are some highlights in the All Star Squadron run that are stand outs even now. Last Days was another excellent story.

Thomas would invariably bring some fresh angle to a story. He'd also bring in some really good characters. The entire cast of Infinity look better and better as time goes on. Look at all the rebooted, revamped characters since their introduction. There are more and more of them as DC continue to mine the late 1930s/early 40s. By making them generational, Thomas gave us a great link between the JSA through the '70s Super Squad to a new era.

Art on both titles was pretty good too.

>BEEP BEEP BEEP< sorry, my hypocrite alarm has just gone off...what's it saying?..."You've just labelled Thomas verbose, in a ridiculously overlong forum post."

Well, I should channel my inner Thomas with a final thought on Darkseid. I first read him in ...actually no...I first saw him on those Super Powers ads and thought he was a little silly looking and I wasn't impressed with the art. I first read him in JLA and then Legion, which are probably up there with his best appearances. Going back to Kirby's work, I find the dialogue for the entire cast to take a lot of getting used to. An acquired taste, much like the art for me.

thinks: if everyone falls into a coma reading all that, the thread will die! Only I shall remain: Auntie thothseid!

Wow cool long post thoth

On the subject of Fourth World and Kirby, like IB and Fanfic were talking about...I LOVE Kirby, but his New Gods felts a little _too_ human, sometimes. Darkseid, I think, works best when he's like an iceberg: yeah he seems evil and dominate-y, but there should be a lot inhuman going on within him under the surface (the times where he focuses more on anti-life than conquest work best for me in this regard).

And the All-Stars and Infinitors, I remember, I loved because they made the DC Stories seem more like a continuum to me: the DCVerse wasn't just about who Batman and/or Supes had to punch that month, but about the heroes that had to win wars and their children and evils/villains that wouldn't stay dead and coming to terms with legacies and all that cool stuff

Legacies got used so often in JSA.

The legacy aspect is what is most sorely missing in the New 52.

I do dig that they're trying different things with their Earth-2 Comics, but it feels like they jumped into Nu52 head first and would figure out the continuity as they went (for example: does anyone know if Ted Kord is alive or dead in the nu52? If he was ever the Blue Beetle?), and that's kinda left em with problems on the feeling of their worlds I'm not even sure they're cognizant of.

Last I heard, Ted Kord is Blue Beetle in JL3001. I don't read it, so I can't elaborate.

If I'm not mistaken, the Blue Beetle and Booster Gold in JL3001 are the pre-Nu52 versions, though how accurate that label is should be verified by someone who reads the series.

I heard that Fire and Ice will appear top. But I also don't read...

Fire is who I wish I was more like in Real Life, Ice is who I wish I was less like in Real Life.

Both ladies are amazing and I adore them both

I like Fire's Pre-Crisis origin better than her Post-Crisis origin.

I like Ice's original origin better than her Generation Lost retcon too.

Thanks Ibby

I preferred the names Green Fury and Ice Maiden.

Just reading their wiki pages I see Ice is a mass killer who has been nearly beaten to death, Ice Maiden was flayed alive by a villain and Fire is also a serial murderer with a war criminal father. I just skipped the whole Ice/Ice Maiden part, which seems to have been some editorial mix up.

I can't imagine why I stopped reading DC comics

i like Fire and Ice as code names, especially as they often operate as a pair.

So do I. Her appearances in Super Friends showed a very different character, one I found much more interesting.

Her powers were quite a bit different then too.

Yeah, that's probably why. It's cute at first, but then it's tough to get them apart (although Fire did have that spell in Checkmate)

I think the code names can work decently even if they are solo, but it does lose a lot of the flair.

Matching code names do have that danger when characters are somehow separated.

Good thing Batman and Robin don't have that problem!