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Ps - I'm pretty sure at this point the Flash is my comic book related show of all time, animated or live action. Hell, it beats most if not all the superhero movies too.

I stopped watching the show after episode 2. Based on the what you guys say, I guess I'll give it a second chance.

Thanks for all the feedback, guys.

And cheers, Stalgie. To second chances.

All my dorm mates have been on my ass for not watching the show. I guess giving it a second chance will get them off my back.

I will say this, I wasn't impressed with the first couple of issues, since they seemed to play like an after school special, falling into the same trap of since it was based on a comic, being schmaltzy, sappy and aimed straight for the ten year old.

They've gotten better, no more lines like "when I'm out there, it's not just me, it's us, a team." Really bad writing that.

However, it's gotten better, and they aren't futzing around with the villains. Still got a touch of too much angst, but much much improved.

Season 1 is on the books. Thoughts?

A very satisfying finale, and next year's spin off team series looks like a blast.

I go back and forth between whether all the winks and nods are awesome or groan worthy (Like last night when Barry's lamenting to Joe about how he can get Time Travel to work safely while literally sitting on a TREADMILL).

Anyone else think Thawne was the one who killed Joe's wife to prevent Wally from existing at all?

They have been teasing time travel all season, with many warnings that even the slightest change in the past could wreak havoc with the timeline.

And yet a massive alteration to both the past and future has occurred, and the present remains pretty much the same?

Nothing that happened this entire season could have possibly happened. Plus, they have created an irresolvable time paradox.

I think CW Flash has been written into a corner.

On the other hand, I laughed when Jay Garrett's helmet popped out of the wormhole and Reverse Flash says, "Time for me to go."

They have created a massive paradox, which is why I think the wormhole re-opened.

I suspect the first part of next season will be Barry trying to find a way to mesh the paradox with his present reality (which will likely lead to the appearance of Rip and the mid-season spin-off with all the Time Travel hijinx). It sounds like there's a plan, and they've been reasonably good until now with their payoffs that I'll give this some time to play out.

Yeah, the treatment of time travel was frustratingly inconsistent. With his previous time travel experience he replaced his former self and got to relive everything again, but this time we three versions of him co - existing at the same time.

Still... fun as long as you don't think about it too much. And Jay's helmet was definitely a geek out moment.

About as pretty a tv show to watch as I've seen. The effects were fantastic. Lots of reasons to rewatch, to catch easter eggs. Everyone brought the A game to the acting. First time Iris' emotional scenes rang true for me but Cavanagh was on a whole other level.



As mentioned, Jay's helmet and "Well's" comment were too fun and the penultimate scene set the internet abuzz with the word, "vasectomy." Before shooting myself in the chest I would have had least tried a little squeeze to see if Reverse Flash faded a bit.

Spin off:

Seems an odd assortment of characters. Any reconizable comic book based method there?


Captain Cold is really coming around to what I'd expected from the get go. At first he was too much from the Batman mold of bad-guys, ala maniacal murderer but he seems to be coming around to that snarky rogues leader with principals and limitations. There's enough room in the show for the killers but the rogues I prefer were blue collar guys just trying to make a dishonest buck and the cities were as much theirs as they were the Flash's.

I really like the Prison Break Bros being included in "Legends," and I really hope it gives them the opportunity to get some depth. I find their performances borderline cartoony at the moment. And I really don't understand why they "needed" Cold during that prison transfer episode. They had the power dampener in the truck and they had Cisco who y'know *made* Cold's gun (and Glider's gun in like what, ten minutes?) and even then, Cold didn't seem to actually do anything other than tag along.

Yeah, that whole prison transfer episode didn't make a whole lot of sense plotwise either, other than "we have a certain outcome we want to achieve to let's have the characters do completely stupid things to get there".

For whatever reason, this lineup reminds me of the "JLI" crew. (Canary in a new outfit? Cold and Heatwave has the Blue & Gold bromance down, a time traveler - Rip instead of Booster, charming billionaire Ray instead of Max (ok, that one's a stretch))

Spin off:

The Doctor: Time Lord

Rip Hunter: Time Master

The Doctor: Adventures in time with a variety of companions

Rip Hunter: Adventures in time with a variety of companions

The Doctor: TARDIS is bigger on the inside than the outside

Rip Hunter: Time Sphere is bigger on the inside than the outside

The Doctor: When he dies, regenerates with a completely different appearance and personality. No one knows his real name.

Rip Hunter: When he dies, is replaced by another Time Master with a completely different appearance and personality. Rip Hunter is an assumed alias; no one knows his real name.

The Doctor: First premiered on British TV in November 1963.

Rip Hunter: First premiered in American comics in May 1959.

I just re-watched the final and became even more convinced, strange science aside they just nailed it.

Would be really jazzed for a Crisis of Two Worlds and would probably giggle hysterically if two effects of his foray into the past were Wells isn't dead and Barry's hair turns blond (even though Mom was a redhead and Dad brunette.) Shrug.

So, I don't have TV service at home, but I just got the season 1 DVD. Which episode is the one in which Abra Cadabra turns Flash into a puppet?

^^That's the episode after the one in which Grodd makes him weigh 1000 pounds!

Cool!

Sorry, only one time-travelling supervillain per season, and this year its Vandal Savage!

Is it me or is it bad writing?

Dr. Caitlin Snow & Ronnie Raymond.

Ronnie is apparently killed in the big blast. Caitlin is mourning him for 9-10 months. Then she sees him, albeit with metahuman abilities and anmesia. And now she is all "Ronnie is dead. I have to move on."

Am I missing something or is this bad writing?

Quislet, you have to understand that CW The Flash is first and foremost a soap opera. Whereas a sit-com will sacrifice character development for a joke, the soap-opera will sacrifice character, continuity, and good sense for the weepy-teary, choke-in-the-throat moment of super-pathos.

Yes, bad writing. But comic books could be used to teach university-level courses in bad writing!

Just sit back and enjoy the show.

The show is not perfect, and there are certainly stretches of bad writing and plot contrivances, but overall the show improves as it goes. I first started watching it as a parental control for my kids to determine if it was something good for them, but by the end of the season I ended up enjoying it just as much as them.

I never said I didn't enjoy it. In face, I do!

Not everything can be Citizen Kane.