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Well... yes.

I see no reason for positivity in this.

Sorry for any offense though. My point was that I know - and I'm quite sure you know - that the only way this stuff will ever be settled is when there are no more Legion fans. You didn't phrase it as "in the eyes of DC editorial" - you said "so the topic of 'continuity' can be dropped for eternity (or at least for a long time)." And it'll come up - here, in blogs, wherever the Legion comes up.

Hell, the next post after me was a guy saying it'll only be settled for him when his favourite version is reestablished as the version with the main title! Even in the infinitely-unlikely case that Johns came up with something no-one could or would argue with, a purely academic settling of the topic is no settling at all.

Two questions:

Does the Lightning Sage Legion's inclusion as one of THE three Legions mean that TMK is now relegated to hypertime? As in, everything happened in some continuity EXCEPT for everything between LSH v3 #63 and LSH v4 #0?

Also, I am mightily confused by "Una." If I read Countdown right, she is one body of Triplicate Girl. But, if she comes from the same reality and time as Karate Kid, she'd be from sometime after LSH v3 #63, i.e. a year or more into the five-year gap. By then, she only had two bodies, at least. But I also seem to recall Lu losing a second body late in the v3 run. So, shouldn't she be "Una" becasue she's down to her last body?

WOW! I knew Superman-Prime was going to face the Legion!

I've been waiting for an Avengers Forever type series for the Legion.

Very excited XS was in there. I always thought the Flash legacy in the Legion should've been used more. Hopefully we get Impulse back as well.

This whole conversation has been very illuminating to me, being rather dense. This thread, combined with the "roughly equal" responses to favorite Legion at that recent con, would seem to prove Reboot's point: for many fans, "their" Legion is teh awesome, the others are teh suck, so talk to the hand. It would never in a million years occur to me to think this way. I was shocked by the reboot in 1994. Yes, the creative teams and editorial had run the original Legion INTO THE GROUND, but I was still shocked. At first I thought it was a flashback or something. Once I realized it was now THE Legion, I bought it willingly for as long as I thought it was good. I stopped reading it in the late 1990s when a) it wasn't going anywhere and b) I gave up comics altogether. But I NEVER thought "this isn't MY Legion so I'm not readin' it." I was supportive of the 3boot not because I disliked the reboot, but I wanted good Legion stories and I felt like DnA had hit a dead end. Finally, I've really enjoyed the Action Legion, mainly because Johns has SUCH affection for the characters and just hits beat after beat with real emotional resonance, and Johns has done a good (often great) job of making the Legion an important part of the Superman story again. Still, it usually feels to me more like a nostalgia exercise. And it's not really "my" Legion, not as long as we have that "Wildfire is in Red Tornado's body" bit lurking out there. But Johns's Wildfire and Dawnstar and Colossal Boy and Yera ring true, and that's more important to me than whether the 5YL period is still "canon" or not. Ultimately, I like the Legion because I like the characters, the setting and the concept, and as long they tell good stories, I'm down with it.

Thanks for the PM 'Boot.

To clarify, I meant "DC editorial". I fully expect continuity will never stop being debated by Legion fans or comic book fans. Probably not for at least three days in a row at any rate

Luornu got her 2nd body back somewhere in the TMK era... so if the TMK legionnaires aren't included in the Legion 3 Worlds than it might be solo Luornu that was killed in Countdown. Which saddens me even more, as she would have been killed before retrieving her 2nd body. Where Una/Luornu fits in to the current plans is my biggest question right now. I don't think she is seen on any of the cover/interior art for 3 Legions yet. Or is that her sitting down in the page that was pulled?

Just when you thought Legion history couldn't get more confusing. Hopefully this series will straighten things out... at least for now.

I'd given up on the DCU before they intro'd hypertime, but I recall someone telling us hypertime is no more... whatever it was to begin with.
most preboot seems to have happened, but not always exactly; the Action Legion appears to me to be after v.3#63 but before v.4#1, so an alternate timeline based on many of the same elements.

Based on comments Una made, I assumed she was Lu's third body, saved from within the Legion's own timeline just as Val seemed to have been; she referred to her other bodies being back in the 31st. If so, then she would not be Lu's last body.

I am excited about this and will be two books per issue to show my support.

I loved all the versions of the LEGION and am excited to see XS on the cover and that Johns mentioned Gates and Kinteix. Heck Rond Vidar too!

Bring back Gates! Bring back Kent Shakespeare! Where are the Academy kids? Where is that little purple dude? Where is Lori? I want to see everything!

I think the thing that bugs me most is that Legion continuity doesn't need to be straightened out.

I mean... didn't Johns just write the freaking Infinite Crisis a couple of years back? Wasn't he one of the co-writers on 52? Was the basic upshot of these two series that DC has a multiverse again? So why not just stick each version of the Legion [and I mean every version of the Legion) on a different Earth and... voila! Nothing more needs to be done. And I would be happy.

I honestly don't care which one gets published on a monthly basis. I'd love to see periodic crossovers between different versions. You know... three different Legions team up to fight three different versions of Mordru! That would be kind of cool.

I have absolutely no interest in a five-issue "Crisis in the 31st Century" story that promises to "straighten out" the different versions of Legion continuity, but is almost certainly going to leave them more screwed up than they've ever been.

as far as i'm concerned, it's not a matter of "my" legion versus the other ones. i love the whole concept behind the series, THAT's what made me fall in love with the legion in the first place and not only the fact that i was lucky enough to come onboard during a good run.
when i said i want "my" legion back, i meant i'm looking forward for a series centered around what i consider the legion concept to be. i don't think the current series should even be considered as "LoSH", since how far it is from that concept.
that's all!
given the stories from the lightning saga on, i think that the only way to have a "true" legion back is for the LS one to stay. i'd be happy with every legion except the current one, though.

EDE,

I'll admit to merely skimming the Johns interview, but my takeaway was that we are getting just what you are asking for, a team-up of Legions from three different Earths. I did not see anywhere that the three are to be amalgamated into one "fixed" continuity.

The only question is, which Legion goes with which Earth?

I think Pofo is right, Eryk. But its too hard to tell so far.

DB, I think they will be explaining how TMK fits into this all too, given John's reference to the Pocket Universe Superboy story.

It read to me like they were going to explain why it didn't fit into it, as opposed to showing how it fit:

Yeah, that's a more accurate way of how I read it too. I may be completely wrong, but it seemed like "some mysterious evil enemy caused it".

Which is ironically hysterical considering the Time Trapper, Mordru and Glorith's roles of the whole TMK series.

wow.....wow....I hope to see Dream Girl (any versions will do), Chemical King (back alive), Tyroc, Quislet, Tellus, female Inferno, Mon-El (M'Onel), Celeste Rockfish, Carrie Wren, and many many others in that particular book!!!!!!! Good to see XS being one of potential player (remember way back in Legion Annual where she had to travel through the time and ran into Time Trapper and he said that XS would have a "Cosmic Destiny"?)

Brrr.....can't wait to see how Night Girl will fare against Persuader and hopefully Violet will find a way to defeat Universo without being squeezed to death.

also what about Cosmic Boy and the Templar Knights, the sensational teens from 41st century? I wonder how will that affect them?

Ps can't wait to see Ferro, Matter-Eater Lad, Bouncing Boy, Sensor (YES!!! evil face!), Monstress (I really hope so!), the uncanny Amazers members, Wanderers, Gear, Kid Quantum I and II, and more more more!!! I am so hyper-excited.

Actually, it wouldn't surprise me (or even disappoint me necessarily) if we did get an amalgamated Legion out of this. What I'm objecting to is the notion that the Pocket Universe, TMK, et al., need to be explained away. It's the whole idea of the "mysterious enemy" whose been messing with their continuity, and that somehow all three Legions are the result of this, that really sticks in my craw. And the story *does* seem to be about "straightening out the continuity" as you've said. And given that mostly seems to be a matter of shoehorning something like the original Legion to fit in with current "New Earth" Superman continuity, rather than giving us an "Earth-1 Superman and the Legion" with their continuity unadulterated, as well as an Earth-TMK Legion, I'm not looking forward to it.

Nope, EDE is right. This is clearly moving towards a merged canon (less 5YL) and a "soft" reboot -- courtesy of Superboy Prime and the Time Trapper.

I'll refrain from making further comments until Part 2 of the interview tommorow. But in the meantime, ask yourselves this: why do all 3 Legions share the same Superboyman?

Do I detect Ol-Vir on the promotion cover? I see Silver Slasher, Black Mace (nice to see him again!), Orion the Hunter, Grimber the Chainsman (EAYHHHH!!!), Mordru (with funny adorable green winged hat!), Beauty Blaze (at first, I thought that it was Sandy Anderson, Inferno, but not! thank god!) but no Echo?, Validus, Tharok, Persuader, Mano, Sun Emperor...can't wait.

No White Witch? I hope to see her there too.

I venture to suggest there's only one thing three-Legions-into-one would achieve.

Piss absolutely EVERYONE off.

Hmm....will Starman from JSA cross over? Hmmm....I hope so! He needs his medicine to keep him sane!

you know what this kinda of reminds me of? remember the first JSA Classified. in that one Geoff settled the origin of Power Girl. there were all kinds of versions relation to Arion, was a member of the LSH etc, etc. and in the end, he simply returned her to her original origin, as the cousin of Earth-2 Superman.

I wonder if that is what will happen here. all of the various versions will simply collapse back to what it was: a group of teens from the future that befriended a teen Superman.

do they? I thought the 3boot didn't know superman as a teen. I thought they only knew him through the history books.

I was thinking of the 3 Legions + 1 Clark image that was pulled from JLA #6 (it's floating around here somewhere). Johns addresses in the interview and why they pulled it. His original intention was to have them all meet as young kids in an adventure no one except Starman remembered. It sounds like he might have changed his mind about that part, but I think the basic formula "3 Legions + 1 Clark" will remain true nonetheless.

Anyway, just because something hasn't been shown yet doesn't mean it didn't happen. The first two years of 3boot Legion history is pretty much a blank slate. It goes without saying I don't believe the 3 Legions come from different earths, but were all folded into New Earth when it was created from the old multiverse, and exist simultaneously as 3 possible futures (that will probably soon be collapsed into one).

Of course, I could be wrong too.

You could be right. Although I'm sure I come across in this thread as super-enthusiastic, I should say that I have trepidations about the whole thing too.

For example, if Blok dies, I'd find that horrifically offensive. If a united Legion fandom storms the DC offices, I'm going after the marketing guy for Countdown