Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! Reboot was right

I think DnA were at their best when they were fixing the mistakes of their predecessors. I think in the end they introduced as many problems as they fixed, however. I think that there was a feeling that they would really pick the title back up, and that they had a grand vision of where to take it that would be something really fantastic, and it was incredibly disappointing that this vision largely fizzled.

Incidentally, this also makes me somewhat skeptical of WaK's supposed grand vision for the Legion.

The DnA Legion didn't start going bad until they did the one really stupid move. Shoving someone with the big S on there uniform into the team. And now it looks like they are going to try it again with probably the same results here in the threeboot.
There was not one thing in it that could not have been smoothed over by a good writer. Look at how good Simones arc was and she used established continuuty with no problem. I think going the Waidboot was just a lazy move on DC's part, and it is not working out nearly as well as they thought it was going to. I pity whatever writer has to come in after Waid and work with what he has set up.

I still wonder about that - before that point, they'd set up nearly everything they'd done, mostly in Legion Worlds, which they'd carried on doing in L25. Then, in L26, they drop nearly all that stuff - in particular, Mekt and the cadets, and focus on Superboy and Darkseid, both of which feel like editorial edicts DnA had no interest in - note how they completely write off the Darkseid vision as a feint in the previous arc, and Superboy is offically an Edict. I wonder what DnA had *actually* planned for Foundations....

I also find it irritating that we 3booted just as we were *finally* getting around to characters like Nightwind, Polar Boy, Blok, Kent Shakespeare and Infectious Lass in the form of the Legion cadets program.

I do feel cheated by having such characters introduced (plus an interesting new character in the form of the Persuader's daughter), only to have the rug pulled out from under us.

Not as cheated as I feel not getting to watch Graym grow up, mind you...

To be honest, force of habit, and procrastination. I keep putting off dropping my extra copy in hopes that the book will turn around. I'm still giving it through the Supergirl arc.

Good point.

There is a simple, quick fix to all of this - Good Original Stories. Well conceived issues will make everything else forgotten, no matter which point in the Legion history the stories come from.

There has been a tendency for Legion writers in the past decade to rely on the Legion stories that came before. The result - re-writes and what-if stories of stuff we've already read, and the result is it just ain't as good as the original. The best Legion stories were from Bates, Levitz, the early Waid, and DnA, all which were ORIGINAL adventures. Since the end of the Levitz run we've had very little in the way of good new stories (except DnA) and little substantial added to the Legion mythos.

That's why there's the tendency to jump back and start over at the Adventure era point, where the solid foundation for the Legion was laid. The approach by TMK (which was just plain destructive) and McCraw and now Waid don't give other writers much to work with.

Fifteen issues (at 30 pages each!) into this new version, and most of it has been rewrite origins or rewrite characterizations - much of which now occurs thru a letter column?! These Legionnaires need to move forward and do something positive, and in much less time than 13 issues a pop.

Still true, after all these years!

THIS.



And yeah, I have so many more fond memories of the Postboot than I do of the Threeboot!

Y'know what, I don't consider the Threeboot worthy of even a footnote in the Legion's history; but EDE and CK's posts from earlier in this thread have reminded me that I need to stop looking at the Reboot through rose-colored glasses too. There was a LOT of crap in that version too.

Now that I think about it, I honestly believe that I have only enjoyed the Legion three times in the last 20 years:

* The first two or so years of the Reboot (up until Team 20 in LSH and the end of Team 20 in L*)
* DnA from LoTD until the beginning of their 'Legion' series.
* Geoff Johns' run from 'Superman and the Legion' until the end of Lo3W.

That's it. 3 short periods of greatness amidst a sea of drivel. Gosh, DC have made being a fan of this team difficult.

Then I'd be at two times because Johns' effort wasn't working for me.

I think the general consensus over here in LW is that those portions of the Postboot that Blacula cited were great. I heartily agree that the "Team 30" portion in L* did a lot better than the Team 20 in LSH did.

The portion that came after was what I can best describe as "pleasant". Nothing much if impact happened, though at least I wasn't enraged by the writing.