Legion World Forums LEGION COMPANION Spaceopoly Kill This Thread XI: The Seventh 24-Hour Thread

The problem is, they're always trying to give Superman an edge.

Superman's not supposed to have a f***ing edge.

He's the f***ing big blue boy scout!!!!!

When will DC ever f***ing learn?

I blame our modern society's cynicism more than DC. We're so jaded these days that idealized images of humanity's potential of goodness don't resonate with modern audiences. That's why DC is forced to keep reinventing Superman and missing the point behind the character entirely.

I very much agree! The Big Blue Boy Scout characterization fits Superman so well. Don't mess with it, DC.

I figure all the crap DC is doing will go away when they realize that people who read DC Comics, expect only one character, Batman, to be edgy. We like DC because we like hope. We want Superman who, despite all his great powers, is a humble, kind person. We want Wonder Woman, who shows everyone that how amazing women can be. We want the Justice Society which teaches us to build on the past. We want the Legion of Super-Heroes, which gives us hope for the future.

Bravo, bravo! Well said!

That's exactly why I prefer DC to Marvel!

Perhaps it is, in the alternate universe where thoth is from!

I think there's something in Robinson's Starman where events from the Golden Age are hinted at. At least some of the backstory was built around certain things happening around that time the story was set.

I think that also led into some of it being used in John's JSA series too.

I'd not be surprised if Robinson pitched it as not Elseworlds at the time. Isn't there some blurb on the cover about it being a very close parallel to the DCU?

Those Elseworlds lines get a little blurred on this one. 'Course that could be a fault in the viewer I'm using from this universe

Possible that some elements from the Golden Age were later used in the "real" DCU. Like the marital troubles between Johnny Quick and Liberty Belle, or potential addictive side effects of Miraclo. I'm not sure which came first honestly, the Golden Age or the "canon" introduction.

I miss Elseworlds almost as much as I miss Hypertime.

Alan Davis's JLA The Nail was an Elseworlds.

I seem to think that I first read about Miraclo addiction in All Star Squadron. But it may have been back in JLA/JSA cross overs or even earlier. But before The Golden Age on that one.

I imagine that the All Star Squadron was the place where Johnny Quick and Liberty Belle became a couple. Did they marry before the end of the run? I don't think I read that far. So, the marital troubles could have been Robinson's follow through of that.

There's a very good All Star Squadron issue featuring the Green Lantern. His awareness of the massive power and responsibility he holds in that issue leads very neatly into his views in the Golden Age.

Then there are other retcons such as the Spear of Destiny, the JSA disbandment, Commander Steel...

So an Elseworlds picks up on Retcons of Golden Age issues that few people would have had access to at the time. Later interpretations would blur things further, not to mention Events switching things around regularly. I don't really get too hung up on Boots and Canons. Something else else else will come down the track later to change things again.

Come to think of it, the Big Three weren't in the Golden Age because Crisis had retconned them out of the Golden Age. Another hint that it was being pitched as an in-universe title?

Well, either way, The Golden Age was one of the very best Elseworlds.

Another great Elseworlds was the original JLA: The Nail.

Yes, I very much agree.

Superboy's Legion is another great one.

The only things I didn't like about Superboy's Legion were Gim dying and Tasmia's weird hairstyle.

Yes, poor Gim. He certainly has died a lot.

I also didn't like that Ultra Boy never owned up to being just a little jealous of Superboy's success in stopping the meteor storm - although of course Superboy wasn't quite in the clear either.

Well, I thought that's just what makes Ultra Boy who he is.

The Superboy's Legion Ultra Boy is the only version I've liked besides the way Jim Starlin portrayed him in S&tLSH #239.

Superboy's Legion Jo was a bit too "macho" for my tastes. I preferred the Postboot version, who was still a bit macho but was also mature enough to listen.

5YL Jo eventually became a bit too Mary Sue-ish for my tastes.

S&L:SH 239 was a good one and a very good portrayal of Jo! He was very likable there.

Mine, too. He's not Mr. Perfect, but he's not The Dumb Jock, either. The truth lies somewhere in between.

I always liked Jo. His costume was more or lesss unchanged for a very long time. In the late '80s they gave him a bare-armed version I really liked for some reason.

Gee, I wonder why you liked it



Yeah. I liked the bit where he hid his true intelligence, but towards the end of 5YL they just made him too smart, too clever, and too lucky with the women (both Sussa AND Veilmist chasing after him??? Yeah, he's hot and all, but geez).

It's interesting how over the years super-heroines have been portrayed in skimpy outfits a lot, but very few male super-heroes have showed skin. The Legion, of course, has had many of the exceptions, the most obvious being Rokk's little black outfit. I realize that the reason for this is that comics have mostly been drawn by heterosexual men for what they assumed was a heterosexual male audience.

There are a lot of comics drawn by gay men. And catering to gay men. You can imagine what their characters look like

It took me a while to realize that Comic Boy's bustier costume consisted of only one article of clothing. For the longest time, I thought he just was wearing flesh colored spandex!

I still wonder how he held it up. Magnetism? Wouldn't that be tiring?

Also, it still seems a little weird that Cosmic Boy and Saturn Girl were among the ones who wore the most flesh-bearing uniforms. I'd think Sun Boy or Ultra Boy for the guys, and maybe Ayla or Tinya for the girls, would be ahead of Rokk and Imra there. It just doesn't seem to fit their personalities.

Yeah, it would fall off at "inconvenient" moments in the "Risqué Adventures of the Legion" Mini (but willing to learn) Series released in the 1970s.