Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! Let's talk about LSH #8 (potential spoilers aplenty)...

Finally read it.

I don't get all the hatin' on the fill-in guy. Sure, we all miss Barry when he's away, but this guy was good enough. I found his Garth, Jan and in particular his Colossal Boy very cute! And that butt-shot of Tinya on the 2-page spread was worthy of Cockrum himself! Yum! I've never really considered Tinya the Legion hottie before, but so far in the 3boot... she is!

In an issue featuring the entire team, Cham and Lyle's absences were conspicuous.

Cham-- poisonously bitter? I haven't seen that. Yet.

Jan-- pseudointellectual? heh. Very insulting.

Ayla: The Most-Slapped Legionnaire of them all!

Projectra: How I adore her! Can't wait to see her start kicking everyone's ass. Or lapse into a coma. Whichever. I'm there for her!

Cos & Brainy: They're on my nerves. What Brainy did was particularly mean.

Pretty sweet cliffhanger ending there, too.

Good issue overall. I'll give it a solid 7.5 out of 10 butts kicked on the buttkickometer. (the .5 is a bonus for featuring most of the Legionnaires in one issue!)

Projectra truly intrigues me in this version.

Can't wait too find out what she does next.

Funny how two people can get something completely different out of the same thing. I thought this was easily the worst issue of the run.

I find it interesting that Mark has chosen to give Cos such a power boost (he was plenty powerful enough as was, IMHO) even as he all but neuters Element Lad.

I guess I got something totally different out of this issue. I thought Cos was a complete prick. Worse, he was a winey, self-involved, hypocritical, power-mad, prick.

Personally, I hope he loses the both the power struggle and his membership. He can't fork of the first, last, and security deposit on a cozy rent on Shanghalla soon enough for me.

At the risk of a "what he said" post, I'll just add that I agree completely, except that it might have been okay with me if this issue HAD read like a high school brawl. Instead, for me, it read like a middle-aged man's conception of what a high school brawl might be like.

This issues dialogue read less "true" for me that the stilted hipness of a late '60s Teen Titans comic.

I was really unhappy with this issue, but maybe that's because, until now, I was ready to call the threeboot Legion the best version of the team ever. Now, well, the jury has been sequestered for a recount.

Two things I keep forgetting to mention.

Why is Ayla explaining to Triplicate Girl that Cos broke into Brainy's lab? Triplicate Girl participated in the break-in. Was Triplicate Girl just being her triplicitous self, or might some of her not know what the rest is up to?

Also, the line from Nura about them leaving in the next 85 seconds is a nice touch. It's like these characters are their characters all the time.

Ac couple of things bothered me about this. For one, Lightning Lad made reference to Lyle's dad having been a low level SP the last time the Legion deal with him. Now, maybe Lemnos is playing tricks with my memory, but I thought he was something of a mucky-muck, like the head of Earth, or Metropolis, or some such division. I definitly got the idea that Lyle's dad was somebody. I recall Lyle getting bitched out for not telling that his pop was a big a whoop with the SP's as he was.

But let's say that he did get some sort of Lemnow inspired promotion. NO ONE in the entire SP would overlook not knowing how that happened. Police departments, as much or perhaps more so than other organizations, are highly political. People OBSESS over their place in the pecking order.


My newspaper has been covering some changes in rank in the local Sheriffs' Department, in which some got promotions and some ended up with a seeming demotion. Prevailing opinion seems to be that the two most likely candidates for Sheriff next year are being put on an even kiel, while a few levels of supervision are being added between one man and his son.

But anyway, my point is, everyone has been talking about this. People do not just say, "Hmmm, so-and-so who used to be either above or below me is now my peer," and go about their business without comment.

Lyle's dad would have questioned his promotion by now if for no other reason than becasue everyone around him would have been questioning it.


I assumed the gain is powers. But there was one panel I did not quite get, in which it looks like Light Lass is walking through an illusion, nonplussed. I am wondering if Projectra had illusion powers, although I had read her last appearance as indicating her wealth was her only "power."


Lester would be neat. I assumed Lemnos. He did say that he has manipulated things for the Legion's benefit. Certainly, if he is hoping to maneauver them into some grand battle, having everyone give up and go home because they are too broke to carry one would be a bad thing.

I have read previous issues as meaning that ALL the kids are Legionnaires, but the main team consists of those 15-20 who have rings, of which there are a limited number. I would think that, yes, if a ring becomes available for any reason, the team would hold a try-out to see who would get it.

Agreed. Cos sounded more like an appropriate leader for Terror Firma.

I completely did not get that remark either. Seemed the absolute antithesis of the character, thus far, as portrayed. Did it make sense to anyone?

It looked to me like he was controling the metal in the floor on a molecular level, rearranging it into a sort of semi-viscous solid.

It would have been interesting if just turning off the super-strength had resulted in Jo still getting in a normal strength pop to the jaw.

Presumably becasue his father plays a significant role in this issue?

I only saw one weird sillhoette, the one that looks stangely like a Lone (ware)Wolf. The other option is that it is not a hint. Perhaps the fill-in artist simply made something up and nobody thought to correct it?

Lending creadence to the editorial oversight theory.

Cue Nardo, stage right. =)

Lon Norg is IDed by Brainy as head of SP's North American Division in the issue 4, where Lyle gives him the blood sample. However the Legion last saw him in issue 3. Lon Norg was seen driving around Metropolis in a squad car stopping Collosal Boy, Light Lass and, Invisible Kid from fixing a damaged building. That's not something the head of a continent would do. IK had to quickly hide remember.

So even Brainy didn't question the promotion between issue 3 and 4. Lemnos is apparently that powerful.

Oh. I never go that that was suposed to be Lyle's dad. I assumed that he hid when the SPs showed up because, well... Lyle is something of a wuss this time around.

He was opening a channel so all the other Legionnaires could hear the conversation.

But my questions, did only Legion members with rings hear, as I presume, or might Leena (sp?) have broadcast Cos' tirade to all the members in the courtyard?

I think it was him, though I can't be sure so many guys with short hair in the 31st Century. It ties in with Lemnos telling Brainy about his manipulation of the Legion. Making it easier and harder for them when Lemnos needed stuff done.

It fits when Lemnos wanted IK's invisibility serum he put the screws to the Legion by getting the SP officer who hated them the most promoted. Then when Norg got the serum, that Youth Reg was suspended through Lemnos' manipulation.

Cos said in that issue that the Youth Reg had been on the books but unenforced for a long time. So what happened makes more sense in this context.

I believe Ayla is explaining it to Thom and not Luorna. I could be mistaken, but that's how I took it.

The wavy lines weren't an illusion, it was Ayla using her powers to move the throne out of the way to see Projectra. You can see the bottom of the throne at the top of the panel.

He was semi-bitter at Luorna and Dirk about the timing thing. But the instance I thought of for that remark is when he and Gim were flying and he used Gim as a distraction to change. He was really standoffish and insulted Gim behind his back...

Whoa... me either! Freaky...

In issue #4, Brainy referred to Lon Norg as "the head of the Northam Science Police". It sounded pretty important to me at the time (Northam=Northern Hemisphere??), but considering that the SPs have been seen in the farthest reaches of the universe, including Lallor and even Rimwold 19, it might in fact have been a "middlecog" postition after all.

The fact that Norg's superiors and co-workers aren't curious about his quick ascent is consistent with Lemnos' powers - even if it does require some serious suspension of disbelief.

Regarding Ayla's chat with Luornu, the only explanation I can imagine is that Ayla heard about the break-in at the water cooler, but still has no idea who Cos's accomplices were. Luornu *does* look a bit uncomfortable.

Well, at least the revelation of Lon Norg's Lemnos-inspired promotion helps to explain how the Captain in issue one came to be referred to a few issues later as General Toling4rd.

Well the revelation does flesh out how pervasive Lemnos' influence is in the galaxy. A real "phantom menace" to be sure.

I tried taking it that way, but then Ayla's line about her and Thom didn't make as much sense.

She should look uncomfortable. She must've been the one who said, "Cos did what?" So she's either deceiving Ayla or deceiving herself.

I thought individual panels were great--it was just that the characters' expressions didn't always match the mood of the scene, nor stay similar from one panel to the next. I think that's largely responsible for the arguments in this issue seeming implausible or melodramatic--even the characters kind of looked like they were putting on an act.
Well, he's said a lot of snarky things--dissing Gim, muttering angrily in issue #3, etc. I didn't take them seriously, and it may be that most of the other Legionnaires don't either--but should. Could be he's the Gates of this boot, not entirely there by choice.

I wondered about that too. I thought it might have been an editorial oversight, but then I thought it could also be that Lu is still trying to minimize her connection with Cos so she can still be an effective "spy". Maybe everyone knows that Cos broke in, but nobody knows that he had help from the others.

The question of Norg senior's rapid rise in the SP is something that will be dealt with...or at least it's in our plans to deal with

It's great to read that many of you are forming different opinions about a character's behaviour - just the kind of reactions we were hoping for - and that, as things unfold, some of your judgements might be proved accurate and some need to be revised