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That movie as a whole is an odd bird -- trippy, violent weirdness side-by-side with more traditional Disney fare.

It certainly does not fit in with my impression of Disney.

Fantasia 2000 was a lot less trippy, IMO.

It was early on in Disney's history, when they were still experimenting with what they could do, and didn't yet have their "formula" down.

My favorite Disney "period" is the time of my childhood, the Disney "Renaissance" that began with the Little Mermaid and included Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast, the Lion King, Hercules, Mulan and Tarzan.

The only Disney movie that I really associate with my childhood is The Fox and the Hound.

That was also a pretty nice movie, though a bit sad IMO.

I consider myself lucky that I got to see "Cinderella", "Lady and the Tramp", "Pinocchio", "Bambi", and "Fantasia" on the big screen.

EDE, good point about Disney still being experimental at the time "Fantasia" was made.

Yes, that's a good point. Sometimes I forget that Fantasia was one of the earliest Disney films.

I am quite fond of Cinderella. Pinocchio was decently good too.

Personally, I've never understood the appeal of Disney's stable of characters, especially Mickey Mouse. Mickey is possibly (except in his earliest appearances) theost boring character in all animation.

I much prefer Donald Duck to Mickey Mouse.

But Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck are a league ahead, IMO.

I think Mickey Mouse is sort of like the Superman of funny animals -- they were each the first of their kind to hit the big time, and that's arguably the only reason they remain household names to this day.

I think you're right, Fanfie. That may also be why Mickey's personality fluctuates so much through the years.

^Which is another thing Mickey has in common with Supes -- from Golden Age scrapper to Silver Age cad to Bronze Age wimp to...

Mickey and Superman: Identity Crisis

^Hopefully it's not written by Brad Meltzer.

Oh the senseless deaths that would happen. I still scratch my head at the decision to kill Firestorm in IC.

If Superman/Mickey is by Meltzer, we would probably see Minnie Mouse and Lois Lane dead. For a start.

I'm excited about Robbie Amell's portrayal of Firestorm on the new Flash TV series. He's some nice eye candy.

I loved Mark L. Taylor's voice acting as Firestorm in Super Friends. He made Ronnie so down-to-earth and lovable.

Firestorm is a big favorite, so I'm excited to see more of him.

Years ago, when Mike Carey was trying to expand his comics writing beyond Vertigo, he made a Firestorm pitch to DC. It was turned down in favor of all the crappy Firestorm comics that have been coming out for the past decade.

I fondly remember the Conway issues as being fun. A hero who actually enjoyed being one with great villains and an decent supporting cast. I think that was as good as it got, even with some original Ostrander ideas.

I thought the Ostrander issues of Firestorm were one of his few runs that misfired (no pun intended). Firestorm was ill-suited to political commentary, IMO, and the whole fire-elemental thing felt to me like a calculated riff on Alan Moore's Swamp Thing.

The Conway Firestorm issues, though -- I think those were some of his best work.

emphasis on the some It was a change in direction. However, the changes came from the characters, rather than obviously mandated by the writer. Prof Stein realises he's dying. He looks out at the world and wonders why none of the people with superpowers ever affect any lasting change. There's the added element that the Firestorm powers could have caused his illness, and his back seat position in Firestorm's activities up until that point.

Ronnie was about to/ or just into college, and was looking for some purpose. His basketball days were over, he had picked up some of the Prof's IQ to get there, and was thinking about life other than being a jock.

Added to that were Ostrander's Suicide Squad questioning the role of powers in a different way and Legends questioning the role of heroes everywhere, and there's some decent potential there. The supporting cast continued to be decent too.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on Ostrander's Firestorm.

Another one that didn't quite jell for me was Martian Manhunter. I think J'onn is just one of those great supporting characters who can't stand on his own -- if a writer of Ostrander's caliber couldn't make solo J'onn work, who can?

The problem was that once those kinds of decisions are made there's only so far you can go. I think it was Grindberg's art that made me really drop the book though. Having said that, I had gaps in it from before Ostrander.