Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! LSH 39 ***Spoilers****

The thing is that while the premise may be interesting, it's much more so in an Elseworlds/Alternate Universe kind of way than something I'd want to see in a "mainstream" Legion title. Unless there's some kind of reset button at the end (everyone was mind-controlled!), the Xenophobic Earth as part of the background of a universe that an ongoing writer would have to deal with has a lot of the same problems as Waid's generational conflict stuff. For me, it has much more the feel of reading one of those Andrew Nolan visions from LSH #300 than something I can really see as re-visiting the Legion I grew up with.

To me, the xenophobic Earth thing seems a lot like the reboot Legion's setting and premise.

You certainly can't blame Shooter for the mistakes Mark Waid made...

... that is, he has to build a universe from scratch, cause Waid didn't. I think it's fairly ironic when people blame the Shooter "run" (three issues so far!) for moving too slowly when during the Waid run, practically nothing was happening for the first ten or so issues - and things didn't turn much better the next 20 ones...

As I mentioned before, what Shooter is trying to create - and I think he will be succeeding - is a sense of cohesion, meaning that what happens this issue has consequences two issues later. When he mentions Ultra Boy and friends are on a mission in New Bejing, we actually see this mission two issues later - that's storywriting for me, something Waid never bothered to invest in during his tenure... not to mention that Shooter avidly avoids any "teenage movement" elements, for Gods sake!

So let him do his work - I have high hopes that he finally will give these Threeboot characters some personality! Just read a lot about his Valiant years and learned that continuity and characterization were the strongest parts of his work there - exactly what this Threeboot needs the most!!!

As for Johns writing, I also have the feeling that he has the right "Legion touch" in his hand. The Sinestro Corps War which I recently read already had many great "Legion" elements in it - huge teams, space fights, characters shining brightly - and considering that was the best "major event" of 2007, beating stuff like World War Hulk with ease, I really start to trust this man without questioning.

His Action run has been great so far. He has the right angle to many characters, he gives space to Legion "curiosities" like the Subs, he makes you care for his story and he seems to love what he's doing. I really hope he'll wrap up the Action story nicely - and then, I am very eager to see when the LS Legion pops up again (DC Universe #0 obviously???)

I imagine that Shooter needed to outline a lot of things before he started writing. He would have had to figure out in advance how to tie up loose ends from the previous author, all of which will take time. Trying to tie up loose ends too fast I think would only bring about another form of complaint. There are probably other areas where he was uncertain on how to get things back on track (the way he would like to see them). Plus he is certainly going to start introducing his own storylines and characterization. All of this is going to take time. Complaining after 3 issues when there has been a change in writers seems a bit premature to me.

I just wish they could somehow distill things back down to one Legion (the original of coarse), these variations give me a headache. Then take the current stories and insert them into the original series (earlier on in the series).

I'd also like to see some of the early stories re-written so that they are modernized and take several issues to cover, the amount of detail that could be added to some of these stories would be incredible.

Maybe, maybe not. The early Legion stories are already incredibly dense, with far more storyline and details packed into each page than most comics these days have. I actually think most modern six-issue arcs would be better if they had to cut them down to about ten pages, rather than the other way around.

i really didn't think that Waid did a bad job, until super girl was added. i think it was just a mess that never really amounted to anything of any real importance, but i dont want to blame that on Waid. i think adding super girl wasn't his idea, having her on the wasn't like the good old days where they could have her in the background, with it not being to much of a problem, super girl was brought in in issue 16, that was a little after over a year since the book had started, the supergirl arc needed to had a good deal of the book focusing on her taking time away from the other legionnaires that that would have been fine it it went some place but it went nowhere. waid cant be blamed for lack of personalty build up when a hug chunk of the book was spent on supergirl, who brothered the hell out of me because she was just there as a marry sue.

i went threw a lot of trouble to get #39 of the legion when i got it i wasn't like oh my god im so glad to have it..it was an okay issue to me, i think the biggest thing that bothers me is that shooter wants to add more ppl to the team and i am okay with that i just would like that to be on hold slightly(like more then 2 issues in) i didn't grow up with him writing the legion, i don't have a lot of stuff from years ago, i haven't read much of his stuff. i don't trust him yet. i'd like to see more of his writing the old legionaries before he adds to the team

I respect that you don't like this story. However, it seems to me that Shooter might be introducing some new characters of his own, so I like that and wan tto see what becomes of that ski chick.

Besides, Shooter's written Legion before, I'm sure he's picking up pieces and looking to improve much of it. It needs it.

I actually find follow-up more interesting than a constant barrage of new settings that we never get to see again.

I think a balance of action and detail are preferable than just a constant stream of action, especially action without repercussions.

I too like it that Shooter is keeping us in touch with the ski resort group, etc. after the action is over. It is giving us much needed insight into the personalities of these characters and a feeling of intimacy that has been missing from this book since the WaK re-boot began.

Exactly, duck458. Shooter - like in his Valiant days, as I just learned - is focussing on continuity and a feeling of coherence in his writing. This might slow down the action, but gives you a better perception of what's going on, who is where and what might have which consequences and so on.

Waids writing on the Legion was totally different. There have been many issues which had no consequences on the next ones, and many story elements (like for example Ultra Boys powers going awry) were just thrown in, hardly to be mentioned again later on.

And the few ongoing story elements he DID thrive on (generation conflict, Terror Firma) were simply... underwhelming...

and Waid never fully explained his overall themes. Like what did Superheroes have to do with generational conflict? and what did the Legionnaires even THINK they were standing for. My impression was that they just formed this movement out of boredom.

And Terror Firma, it just comes out of left field that only Elysion was actually a bad guy (so what, the rest of TF was on a picnic when mass genocide was committed?) or the fact that we so no reaction to Sun Boy's decision to join TF and no fall out of Projectra's feelings. Waid gave us TONS of interteam conflict, but all of it felt force and the natural sources of conflict were ignored.

so underwhelming indeed, after 30 issues I was really hoping that the basic premis of Waid's Legion would be explained, but I feel I did not get that. At least with Shooter, three issues in and I understand where the conflicts are coming from.