Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! LSH 39 ***Spoilers****

I read #38-39 last night. Have to say it took a little to warm up to #38, but by #39 my enjoyment began matching the stride of the series.

I really like the art. I like that the Legionnaires look young and I like the energy just flowing off the page. Plus, I also like the sexiness of the Legionnaires without being too over the top.

I'm enjoying the subplot with the kid in the leader's chair, even if it is a bit obvious. I also like 'Ballerina Girl'.

The tension between the Legionnaires is welcome (Brin/Lyle, etc.). I'm especially enjoying Shooter's use of Ayla, Tinya, Brin and I'm liking Lyle for the first time since the threeboot began.

I'm glad something is being done with Projectra.

That all being said, I'm not going to call this a top 10 book (on quality) among what I'm collecting, but I'm willing to give some time for Shooter to hit his stride.

The Gim/Jan/Jo story wasn't exactly 'Citizen Kane', but I'm glad--this is what many of us have been clamoring for: short stories that don't have to be epic but give us a sense of some of the Legionnaires in action.

I do like the fact that he appears to be aware of where each Legionnaire is. To me, that means a real lot and I appreciate it.

PS - my crush on Tinya is reaching levels I never knew existed.

good issue! enjoyed the pacing a lot.
Manapul's art keeps getting better and better. Projectra was lovely.
i don't find it too anime at all, except in some of the hair treatment.
although i enjoyed the focus on the Princess, there wasn't much in the way of answers to some nagging questions...
(how does she feel about the Terror Firma members hanging around the clubhouse? was Orando blown up into debris, or is it a lifeless cinder? there must be a physical planet. wasn't there some off planet bank accounts?)
it's too bad that Projectra is missing the wealth and privilege rather than the people and culture she lost. In Element Lad's original origin, the genocide of his race inspired him to become a legionnaire. Projectra's motivations are very different indeed.

i found Light Lass's sexual overtures a little surprising, and KK's going along with it in front of P.G. even more so. is the KK crush for Tinya over and forgotten?
i liked the tension between Timber Wolf and Saturn Girl. nice scene. however, i'd love some writer to show us how Timber Wolf is different from Wolverine. every bit of dialogue could be said by Wolverine. i'm more than ready for the new costume's although Brin's looks good here.
the side mission with CB, UB, and EL was fun. i liked the bad guys designs. will we see them again? Colossal Boy wasn't much of a team leader. i'm glad that his buddies came back to help him. i thought Manapul did an excellent job depicting Gim's growth power and fighting tactics. In fact he did a good job with Projectra's illusions as well. Shooter also deserves credit for interesting uses of the legionnaires powers as with Saturn Girl last issue.
i missed the Dreamer/Dream Boy bit on the Monitor Board until it was pointed out here. it must be purposeful on Shooter's part. there was obviously a lot of attention put into the bits with the monitor board. hallelujah! Nura was one of the highlights of this re-imagining. dumb move to take her away and make her a literal dream figure. not much room for character development there. it's so much like the reboot killing off Apparition and having her return as a literal ghost. yuck.
I really need next issue to further the Evil Adventus (hate that title) plotline with these new "alien lifeforms". i fear another looooooong drawn out story with little punch or satisfaction. still waiting for a big meeting room scene with all the legionnaires. i would also appreciate actually seeing the exterior of the clubhouse.

I had the same thought about Dream Girl and Apparition, Nebula.

As for the Dream Boy/Dreamer thing, I think it's called a mistake. I don't get why fans need to read hidden meaning into every inconsequential detail of a story. Comic creators make mistakes. Inconsistencies abound. I'll be greatly surprised if anything more was intended by that slip.

It could be a mistake! And I could be reading into inconsequential details b/c Dream Girl has always been one of my favorites!

However, I believe the name change was intentional and something will come out of it, regardless of whether it is a result I might hope for. As Gorilla Nebula pointed out above, a lot of detail went into those mission monitor board bits, so I'm not convinced it is an inconsequential detail... yet.

Dream Girl's my favorite too and I'd kill to have her back any way possible, but I'm not getting my hopes up over what may be only a typo.

To me the Dream Boy/Dreamer is on par with this panel from issue #5:



Just another case of an editor who doesn't know how to pay attention to his job.

Francis himself said he can't wait to draw Dreamer. He said Shooter is taking his time introducing all the characters back in slowly.

If Dreamer wasn't coming back, he could have said that that he wasn't going to be drawing her.

I don't think it was a mistake as it looked like great detail was taken doing the monitors.

Shooter himself listed "Dreamer" as a Legionnaire in one of his first interviews last year, while remembering everyone's else's 3boot codename correctly.
So, I can't dismiss it as a mistake just yet.

Final Dreamer Crisis! Worlds will die and nothing will ever be the same! The Mistakeners will take on the Anti-Mistakeners! Only Ray Palmer holds the key!

Aye - I am hoping Shooter appears at MegaCon or at the San Diego Con so I can ask him about his plans for Dreamer.

Mark Waid is supposed to be at Megacon this weekend so going to try to get him to sign Legion of SH #21 with Dreamer on the front.

Well, at least we now know the true Winathian native superpower -

Super Co-dependency...

Finally made it to the CBS yesterday. What a month it's been.

This was a thoroughly enjoyable issue for me, because it is so clearly BUILDING on the past to something else. More cool beats with Projectra, but Shooter clearly isn't done with her yet. Considering she is his creation, I can't wait to see what he has in store for her!

What I liked was the follow-up from his first issue. We see KK again, are reminded of him and Trip, and check in on their progress. Good stuff. We see Giselle again, naturally attracting attention from Timber Wolf, who as one would expect is rightfully impressed with her abilities. We see Winch Boone again, and witness the next step in his dismissal of the Legion and its efforts on his behalf. We see the aftermath of the Triton attack and how the media decide to play it. We see T-Wolf react (badly) to that, and Saturn Girl in turn react to T-Wolf. Furthermore, we get a new, B-story here where a different team is literally cleaning up the mess left by the last 2 years of comics in the sewers of New Beijing, and in case we missed it on Triton and in Legion HQ, we see more evidence that the Legion is not exactly rolling in a positive PR bonanza after their defeat of the Dominion. With that B story, we get a distinct shift in the characterization of Colossal Boy (note: not Micro Lad) from bemused Gulliver among the little people to good soldier in the sewers.

For those who think Shooter has discarded Waid's generational conflict, I am not so sure. It's clear from these 3 stories that adults clearly don't like the Legion, still, and now the Legion has the added burden of losing their rebel street cred with the underagers. I think Shooter is taking the generation thing and using it to create actual dramatic tension, as opposed to just pissing off older Legion readers like Waid did.

Finally, I have to say that I am just loving seeing the Legion wander around HQ in their underwear. This is something they did ALL the time in the early 1970s (when I started reading), displaying those gorgeous Cockrum/Grell outfits and bods. I don't remember seeing nearly as much sleepwear or skin during the Levitz days. Am I wrong? Was Levitz a prude? Or was it just another reflection of the damn 1980s when Reagan and Thatcher harshed the mellow? Anyway, glad Shooter's bringing the sexy back!

This was a nice structured story compared to the dizzying pace of the first installment. I like the direction Shooter seems to be setting, and I am warming to Manupul's art (I never disliked it, but it wasn't my first choice in style at first; I'm growing to really like it).

A point I forgot to make this morning is how great it is that Shooter is following up on earlier events, both large and small. I think many of us found Waid's continued abandonment of plot points infuriating, at best. Rather than playing out the sequence of one set of (often good) ideas, he couldn't wait to throw a bunch more ideas into the mix. With Shooter, we're seeing the consequences of the Legion's UP affiliation, the deprivation and chaos caused by the Dominator war, the fall from power Projectra experiences after the destruction of Orando, etc. So far, Shooter's doing a better job writing the Waid 3Boot than Waid did.

Also, Francis's art is just wonderful. Yes, some of the hair is too Sonic the Hedgehog for my taste, but that is really a minor quibble for otherwise stellar art. Each issue is more impressive than the last. And the Legion in underwear hasn't looked this good since Brainy built a Supergirl robot!

I finally got my issue today.

Glad to see several things going on all at once, as it should be with such a large team. I like knowing that something interesting is happening with Brainy, without actually witnessing it. It's M'rssey in the chair, right?

Personally, I think the UP is treating Jecky DREADFULLY! Where is the sympathy from her allies? I'm impressed at her ability to remain heroic none the less, stopping the looters.

I like the art. I've wanted to see the Legion depicted this way for a long time. However, the coloring errors frustrate me.

Sketch, I've also wondered about the UP's treatment of Projectra. Namely, is it a feature or a bug? Is it simply the unfortunate by-product of an efficient but soulless bureaucracy? ("Planet destroyed, therefore delete all status and priveleges"). Or, is there some subtext of anti-Orando sentiment? (Maybe Orando was resented for its wealth and influence and the UP is all "good riddance.") Or is it "simply" another manifestation of the UP's dislike/disdain of the Legion? (Projectra = Legionnaire,therefore dump on Projectra.) All of these are intriguing possibilities that will keep me interested.

good questions, Doub.

also, if Orando was the wealth-center Waid made it out to be, by declaring Orando non-existant the UP might be wiping out a lot of its debt; derecognizing Jeckie could be primarily about disempowering the one person who could call on the loan.

By legally saying you creditor was a planetary institution seperate from its people, that planet/institution is no more, and that the last known survivor/royalty of that world is *not* a representative of your creditor, that solves a lot of debt repayment.

That's cold, and I love it. I hope that if Shooter bothers to explain it, he goes somewhere clever like this.

If you think back to the Russian aristocracy after the revolution, Projectra should really have some royalty-groupies, or even a planet that still recognizes her as royalty (Pasnic, maybe) even if she is officially stateless.

I still find it hard to believe that there weren't many other Orandans off-planet at the time of destruction. They must have had embassies, representatives to the U.P., business people on other planets. This seems to be a gaping hole in the Projectra story.

Good point, give Shooter some time and maybe it will come up. There is way to much to cover in such a short amount of time. I wonder if the writers read these forums and then take all of the great ideas from them and include them, like yours. This really was a a good point.

that's occurred to me, too. Maybe the UP is leaning on all of them, freezing/appropriating their resources and keeping them from communicating (maybe the real reason for the transmatter shut-down in #37?).

I like the royal-groupie notion, too, especially given the likely grass-is-always-greener appeal of royal-less worlds.

Hey, it's Orando! In a year or so we'll find out that it's one of those ilusions or that it disappeared into that weird dimensional buffer zone the Orandian elders used waaaaayyy back in the Baxter series after Nemesis Kid's "execution".

But I LOVE the Royalty-in-exile concept too.There should be thousands (if not millions) of Orandian citizens dispersed throughout UP space.

hhhmmm...Kent has a point here too, maybe the UP is leaning on the Legion by cutting off ANY alternate source of funding.

Isn't it time for RJ Brande to ride in on a white horse and save the day?

I continue to enjoy Shooter's run, that's far superior to whatever came before. However, I'm not still completely convinced...

hey guys I just wanted to chime in about Princess Projectra's future and her bout with legalities. I assure you all that Jim is going somewhere with this and things will be much clearer as the story progresses.... this is Jim we're talking about so no gapping holes. seriously Jim is probably the most detail oriented writer I've ever worked with he leaves nothing to chance and he pretty much covers all his bases. He kinda reminds me of DeNiro in Ronin when he went into the bar and before going in, he knew all the exit points and where to duck and cover and where his best offensive location is. Like I said Jim is all up on that...

Awesome man, thanks for the reassuring words and great to hear from ya!