Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! LSH 39 ***Spoilers****

You know... this is pretty much why I feel good about Shooter's handling the Legion in a way I wouldn't feel about pretty much anyone else doing so. I felt like one of the big problems with Waid's run was that he got too involved in '52' and then 'Brave and the Bold', and the Legion seemed to become increasingly sloppy and unfocused. Even if I don't agree with everything that Jim does, I at least respect the fact that he cares about the Legion and is doing what he thinks is best for the title.

I was someone who DREADED the return of Shooter and I have to say I am SO into it! He's made LOSH a must-read again rather than something I read and wished could be something it used to be. I started reading LOSH during the 70's as a kid just because all the cool older kids at the comic shop/racks were into it. I bought it but outside of the Grell art didn't get much out of it other than it had Superboy in it and I think I had a crush on Cosmic Boy...LOL! I hit my teen years during the Levitz/Geffin run (crush was now on Timber Wolf) and actually liked it better than Teen Titans at the time. I've been a huge fan for ages now and there's never been a better year that I can remember than this to be a Legion fan! Shooter's return, the magic going on in Action Comics, the tease of a Johns/Levitz mini...it's all coming together and I think we're on the verge of a return to greatness AND popularity!

Biff

I"m glad everyone else seems to be so excited about this title, but I'm so much more invested in the Action Legion that I just can't seem to care about the regular title anymore. I hope Shooter can take the remnants of the Waid mess and turn it around for me, but I'm really hoping the Action Legion gets its own title ASAP. If it does, I may drop this book.

I have to say I haven't been so excited about a monthly comic in a long time like I am now for Legion.

I am a new Legion reader. I had grown tired of the stories in the X-Men that seem redundant & "Teen Titans" just doesn't feel like the "Titans" to me. So I decided to try something new. A good friend of mine had mentioned he liked Legion. So I decided to pick up #37. Wow I LOVED it!! I didn't know any of these characters but I was hooked. I pick up the 1st Waid trade and really fell in love with Dream Girl.

I know Waid gets alot of flack about his run on Legion but I liked it. But Shooter's run so far has been AMAZING. I can't wait till each issue comes out. I love the art. It really is a great book.

Too bad Dreamer is not back in a body and a regular in the book....but I can actually say....and I have NEVER said this about ANY team book before....but I like every single Legion member who has appeared in Shooter's run so far.

And wow Lightning Lad & Timber Wolf are hotties!! I hope to see Timber Wolf in just his undies soon!!

Saturn Girl & Phantom Girl are just stunning! I also LOVE LOVE LOVE Irma using her powers in great unique ways!

Any chance Dreamer will be appearing soon??

JUst re-read this issue and I think I've spotted a boo-boo! How does the girl fly with Colossal Boy's flight ring as they are coded to individuals DNA? Is it that after his ring was damaged in space (issue 18?) Brainy didn't have time/resources to fully fix it?

They've been completely inconsistent about the DNA coded ring thing. I think they only stuck to that story for one issue and it's been forgotten ever since.

If you're a continuity/consistency fanatic (like I consider myself) than you will come to expect regular glitches such as aforementioned DNA coded flight rings any more, especially for the Legion.

Between reboots, writers with their own visions, and a reader audience who seem to be deemed Attention Deficient by TPTB, the emphasis has become quick hitting, good looking mini-sagas (suitable for Trade Paperbacks) than any long term novels. Hence, you get entertaining stories, but discrepancies abound (such as Sensor Girl in Lightning Saga).

I find that if you treat every writer's effort as a variant "Elseworld's" Legion, the inconsistencies are not so annoying.

or perhaps the shocking secret is that she is a genetic lost twin to Colossal Boy! and that's why the ring worked for her.

I have to say I absolutely am loving the Legion since Shooter has taken over. His take on all the characters seen so far are just a breath of fresh air. Truly loved how Colossal Boy's powers were showcased this issue. It was done in a really interesting visual way.

And Im soooo loving this tension goin on between Brin an Imra. Can't wait to see where it leads although Im smelling a hookup for some reason.

I do agree that there's a lot of good stuff in the Shooter/Manapul run.

Oddly enough though, I feel a lot more comfortable and entranced by the Legion in Action Comics.

Still loving this issue, I dunno, but I'm really excited about the Legion again, both this and Action. of course in action it' like seeing some old friends whose adventures never ended (although certain things do throw me out of my happy place) but here I'm more excited for the future, probably because I know it's ongoing.

It's nice to know that Shooter has a plan and it deals with those little details. For Projectra's status, I like the idea that the UP wants to cancel it's debts, that's cool. And in pass versions Orando was always a very insular society, could be so in this version that eventhough they are fabulously wealthy not many citizens actually ever leave the planet. That could help explain the lack of Orando expatriates (or however you would classify them.

As for the ring thing, I never liked the idea of them being ridiculously expensive or being DNA coded, so just like "Micro-lad" this looks like one thing Shooter is ignoring (especially since hte U.P. is trying to foster on new members, I'm sure Brainy has snarkingly told them how much rings cost to keep U.P. members out) so I imagine flight rings are easier to make.

And maybe CB's ring is still a little damaged (I did like how it was still big on the girl). Or maybe the rings aren't so much DNA encoded, as power encoded. I mean, CB's ring obviously needs to expand, Atom Lass' needs to shrink, so maybe some of them are designed so that the wearer's powers don't short them out, but that if a non-powered person were to use it there would be no problem and saying they are DNA encoded is just easier than explaining the powers bit.

That's the one thing I love abot being a fan, trying to find a way where everything still makes sense.

Finally read the new issue - and again, I'm very content with it. I don't feel so thrilled by this version of the Legion than by the Action Legion, I don't feel so much with the characters - but it is very entertaining and it has a definite Legion feel to it, something that I always missed during the infamous Waid run.

I like the art, which is very fresh and vital, and I love the slow build-up of a story and a certain atmosphere. While Waid took different characters every issue and the was no sense of cohesion or meaning behind which colourful costume was part of the current issue, Shooter relies on a certain continuity build-up - like grouping the characters up and keeping those groups together for three issues - so that you actually get the feeling that the story is happening, not shoved up your ***.

I like his way of handling this book. It is not spectacular yet, but I am hoping for the best. It is a good thing that he has this "clean slate" to work with cause Waid hardly established any characterization - nor any cohesive world to get in trouble with. Shooter in only three issues did more to make this Threeboot into some kind of a distinct future scenario than Waid did in 30 issues.

It's not odd if that's the Legion you grew up with. Yeah, they're a bit older (guess they've grown up with us), but I still feel a greater connection to that Legion.

I wonder if DC can maintain two Legion titles -- or if both groups will be melded into one? I'd hate for the Johns/Perez mini-series to be a farewell to the Classic Legion.

It's a minor detail, but I love Councilwoman (Sidne?) Ardeen's floaty chair that collapses into a little wand.

I don't think two books could be maintained. given current sales, one would most likely suffer due to the other. at some point one of these versions(and it's probably the one that didn't know Superman when he was young) will get the death boot.

and adding Superboy to the title, will probably do just slightly worse than adding Supergirl. or do they really think many fans of the t.v. show are going to start reading the comic?

the future does not look good for this book. and unlike most of you loyal and kind hearted readers that have stuck with the reboot dejour, the moment this books folds I am gone for good.

I really DON'T want any Super people in the Legion. I think BOTH Superboys had way too much screen time on the Legion cartoon. To me it is like sticking Wolverine in a team - he is already in 7 different issues EACH month.

I am very dishearted that during the recent Con people said they were not thrilled with Shooter's run. I wish I had been there to say how much I liked it. So far I like it better than Waid's run which I still like.

I do think there should be more publicity for Legion. Shooter should do more interviews to get fans excited for upcoming events in the book. Drop some more hints. Even get some preview art posted.

Legion right now is the only book that has me excited about comics right now...the current X-books & "Teen Titans" have been a let-down.

This is certainly the most interesting thing to be done with Jeckie since her neck-snapping, Sensor Girl Levitz heyday. What's odd is I find myself kind-of enjoying Jeckie as shoplifter. She'll learn the peasants to treat her like crap! Yeah, I like it...

I liked the focuson the smaller teams. More Legionnaires finally appearing-- Yay!

Tensions betwixt Wolfie and Imra-- Make him wear a medallion, Imra!

The art is just a beauty to behold and will, I believe, draw in new readers.

I tend to agree with this for one main reason. For various reasons, I was unable to get to my CBS in time to pick up #38 before it seemed to sell out everywhere. So I pick up 39 and am able to get back into the story without feeling like I missed anything. It was a good read, and I enjoyed it, but I don't have the sense of REALLY wanting to know what happens next like I do with the Action title.

Granted, I think the charaterizations are worlds better now than they have been at pretty much any point in the current version, but I feel like I have more of an emotional investment (from a story perspective, at least) with the Action crew.

I neither think that there willö be two versions of the Legion two years from now. There will be some kind of "final" solution, which I kind of dread...

Both versions right now are really fun, with the interesting fact that many people here seem to like the new Shooter run, but have their strong feeling for the Legion diverted to the LS Legion which just feels more like the Legion of old wich we grew up with and which we missed sooooo much for a decade. I think that this actually hurts Shooters success, but says a lot about what many fans would like to read most.

It's the same with me: I like the new Shooter stories, but I really am egaer to read the LS Action issues, I really am thrilled much more by those and am actually feverish to live through their adventures, if you know what I mean. So on an emotional basis, the LS Legion for me has a much larger impact than Shooters Threeboot.

The bad thing that might happen is some kind of merging which takes away both versions, forces down some new Mergelegion down our throats and nobody is happy any longer...

... but would DC care???

Here, here. I agree with the right honorable King of Chemical. DC has somewhat callously hurt Shooter's run with the other Legion and at the same time is giving you long-term fans a potential shot to the gut.

still, I guess it just shows that DC is fumbling around trying to find a way to make the book a better seller. here's the thing, I don't think any quick fix is going to do it. i.e.(supergirl and the legion, a potential return of Superboy, bring back the kinda original LSH) none of that will bring a sustained increase in readership. they are just going to have to pick a version to have a book,and then have good writing and art and let it grow. after all, they keep selling Wonder Woman and she doesn't exactly burn up the charts?

I can understand the feeling by some that the Shooter arc is moving slowly and they "can't wait" for the next Action installment, but old auld lang syne aside, as I mentioned on some thread, the writers Johns and Shooter have two completely different tasks. Johns doesn't have to add characterization, Shooter does. Johns' arc is in the prenultimate stage, the generally most exciting stage. Shooter's is in the build-up stage.

I can recall writing after the second issue that I'd given up on the Action legion because it was plodding (and the eyes). Throw in the five or six issues of Lightning Saga, which are part of the recent arc and the Action plot is

m...o...v...i...n...g v...e...r...y sl.....ow.....ly.

Fortunately, reading the boards hinted I should come back to the Action arc. Personally, it's the writing on the LSH arc that has this old-timer looking ahead. The Action arc I'm justing looking for an exciting end.

Well, I have to agree with the last three posts in various ways. Johns is clearly writing a special story, which tends to attract more attention from a story development and editorial perspective than an ongoing monthly, which is Shooter's task.

Also, there is the issue of Shooter having to be in "damage control" mode (for want of a better term) to transform Waid's Legion into one that follows his particular vision while keeping within the bounds of the universe Waid created. So, its kind of a complex picture, and there is certainly no guarantee that an ongoing LS monthly would be as good quality as the Action story.

But interestingly for me, my "emotional investment" for the Legion is with the early post-Zero Hour group, which is where I came into the story, and have only become somewhat interested in the pre-ZH Legion (or even the pre-FYL Legion) after that in a bit of a roundabout fashion. (A long way of saying that the LS Legion does not have a historic or emotional connection for me.) So the fact that the Action story has resonated with me so well is, I think, a reflection of Johns' writing.

and it's a clever premise, building on the Superman is an alien thing, which I know has been done before but not with implication to the Legion as I recall?

So, who in the present time has had problems with aliens on Earth that might have planted the crystal?

Wasn't it Darkseid?

I think it'd be a kick if it was the Dominators.

Maybe Brainiac?