Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! Annotated "Legion of 3 Worlds"

Sorry, I don't buy it. not when we saw her being recruited by Tarik the mute's school, which didn't include Cosmic King.

If it didn't happen in the book, I don't buy it.

I certainly can't disagree. However, there are names and places referred to in many entries that did end up in the comics after first appearing in the Who's Who or the Sourcebook.

Personally, I place the Who's Who at one level below canon, and the Sourcebook at two levels below. At least the Who's Who was published by DC, though the Sourcebook was co-written by the Bierbaums while they were working on the comic series.

Plus there's been so much stuff from the Sourcebook that was later used in the comic books, like a lot of the Five Year Gap details. DC certainly seems to be treating it as canon.

I remember Michael Eury (editor at the time) saying the Sourcebook was 100% canon to DC at that time. I even bought it for that reason. But I might be mistaken...

Except that there seems to be a lot that actually happened IN the book that the current writer isn't considering as canon.

As I said on my comments to L3W#2, Geoff is doing whatever he feels like doing. Chronology be damned. If that makes for a good story (to him), he doesn't seem to care at all. He's got Infinite Crisis to say whatever he wants to blame.

The 5YG Legion and therefore the Sourcebook for it are no longer canon. Thhat much is clear.

The original Legion ceased with Crisis on Infinite Earths and anything from there to Zero Hour has to be regarded as non canon in the Johnsverse. Johns said as much in at least one interview.

Actually, nothing is canon at all. Again, I invite you to read L3W #2 to see lots of unexplained things.

The way I interpret it, all of LSH history between (approximately) Crisis on Infinite Earths and Zero Hour, which includes the pocket universe stuff, the Magic Wars, the Five Year Gap, the Five Years Later era and the End of an Era storyline, as well as everything in that sourcebook, is canon, but it's canon for a branch of history that's no longer active. The Time Trapper remembers it. So - and I invite you to pay attention to the grammar I'm inventing here - all that history hasn't happened, but it has has happened.

Which is not to say that FC:L3W #2 didn't raise any continuity questions for me. It did. Nothing I'm going to lose sleep over, but:
- I'd like to hear the backstory on Mordru killing Dragonmage
- I'd like some more detail on just why Andromeda is with the reboot Legion. I am told that she was in the Titans/Legion Special, so that's fine, but why and how was she there?
- How, why, and since when is Tharok alive?
- Where did threeboot Karate Kid and Triplicate Girl spring from?

I don't classify any of these as mistakes. But there are some dots that have not been connected for us.

Yeah, I think Matthew has it. Essentially there is Preboot V.1, which no longer is an active timeline and Preboot V.2, which is what we're seeing.

Therefore *both* are the original Legions, just different offshoots of it, splitting at the time of Crisis on Infinite Earths. The Johns Legion isn't so much a Fourthboot, but a Preboot v.2.

Some ideas on those continuity questions:

(1) The only Dragonmage we ever knew of in the preboot was the one that appeared in Legionnaires, so this means he would never grow up to be captured by Dominators, etc. The original preboot v.1 has him join the SW6 Legion, this one has him die before he ever appears on panel. I'd like to hear more backstory too.

(2) Totally agree on hearing more. I actually like the move too.

(3) One of the more annoying things for me. Question (since its been so long since I read it): when Tharok reappeared in Legionnaires, how did he come back to life?

(4) Freaking Countdown and its annoying deaths of KK and Trip. Obviously no one wants to count it as canon other than Didio.

Regarding the annotations for page 3:

"Panels 1-2: L1 Mordru and his mages have stolen her magics.
Panels 3-8: it's Blok, Wildfire, and Dawnstar to her rescue. Blok and White Witch had a relationship, as did Dawnstar and Wildfire. Due to their natures, Blok and Wildfire could not have physical relationships with their partners as other humans could."

Saying that White Witch and Blok had a "relationship" and calling them "partners" is a bit of a stretch imo. I'd say that Blok appeared to have a crush on her and she was touched by his attention would be closer to the truth.

Drake and Dawnstar had a bit more going on than that, but it still wasn't a full-fledged relationship, imo. More a case of his pursuing her and her being evasive.

"Page 7
Panel 1: "I saw Legions dying, and I saw a new one rising." A prophecy of the future.
Panel 3: The White Witch first appeared as the old crone The Hag, an associate of Prince Evillo. In her next appearance, she was young and beautiful. It was never revealed how this change took place; Mordru says here that he transformed her as he taught her magic"


In her first appearance, White Witch says that Evillo transformed her into the Hag with "an evil essence". Dream Girl restored her to youth in the same story. Mordru's comments here make no sense. In a later story, Mordru is responsible for turning her into the Hag, but not for making her young again.

No, it's *threeboot* Val and Luornu I'm wondering about, after they disappeared from Velmar an issue or two ago. Unless you figure that it was *them* in Countdown? If so, where are Johns-retroboot Val and Luornu?

No, I always figured it was Johns-retrboot Val and Lu in Countdown. I just completely forgot they had dissapeared from Velmar. I figure (at least hope) that Shooter will address that in the next few issues. Kind of weird that Luornu and Val dissapeared though of all people.

I like "Johns-retroboot"