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I wonder whatever happened to the "temporary replacement" Psycho-Pirate, James Highwater?

But in a nice way....um...if that's at all possible...



I think everyone preferred the second one, so Highwater and all the others will stay in the Medusa Mask as long as no one mentions....oh, fickles... they're all coming back again...

Battle of the Psycho Pirates! Who will win?

It's not so bad being linked to the Psycho Pirate. He's one of the very few people who remembered how things were Pre-Crisis after all!

Him and Power ...

Psycho-Pirate made an appearance in Infinity, Inc. where he sneaked in to Jade's apartment by introducing himself to Brainwave as "Mr. Hayden", which he was. Hank assumed he was Jennie-Lynn's father.



WalkWithCrowds killed the first thread. I've killed several, but I don't think all the others.

Coincidentally, I just read Hayden's first appearance (from Showcase 56) this very day in my Crisis on Multiple Earths: The Team-Ups Vol. One TPB, which includes all the early Earth-1/Earth-2 smaller character crossovers (including those early Barry/Jay meetings) and stories involving Earth-2 characters teaming up (including the Dr. Fate/Hourman featuring Hayden) that were aside from the annual JLA/JSA crossovers. Not a bad story!

And by her father, I mean her adoptive father, not her birth father, Alan Scott.

I think cleome killed one thread I the last one I think.

I don't seeing Jade's adoptive parents at all. But I read she had a much happier life than Obsidian did.

I liked seeing Obsidian and boyfriend Damon. They seemed like such a happy couple.

I have nr read the Infinity Inc series. I started following JSA with the 2000 (I think?) Series that introduced Stargirl and the Kendra version of Hawkgirl.

When Thorn abandoned her short marriage to Alan Scott, she was pregnant with twins. He presumed she had died in a fire. She ran to Milwaukee and gave birth to a baby boy and girl, whom she gave up for adoption. The girl was adopted by Julian and Myrna Hayden and named Jennie-Lynn. They had a fairly normal middle-class life. The boy was adopted by Jim and Shirley Rice and named Todd. Jim was an abusive alcoholic. In their teens, the twins' powers manifested and they found each other and became Jade and Obsidian.

One of my favorite moments in Todd and Damon's relationship is a scene where Todd changes from his human form into Obsidian and Damon comments "That never fails to be hot!"

I remember that scene, it was when they were applying to adopt. They were turned down because of Todd's heoic lifestyle. But the interviewer was perfectly happy to endorse a gay couple as adoptive parents.

One of the greatest losses in the "New 52" was the Todd-Damon relationship. There are very few happy, healthy relationships and comics and even fewer happy, healthy same-gender relationships.

The other couple (this one an opposite-gender couple) I really miss is Jesse Chambers and Rick Tyler. They were also so happy together.

The Jesse and Rick marriage was great! When the latest version of the JSA split, Rick and Jesse were on separate teams so they could maintain lines of communication between the two factions. They still lived in the same house.

It really makes me sad to think that DC had so many wonderful characters who were just thrown away. I really hope they undo this New 52 nonsense soon.

Sadly, I've lost confidence in them. Even if they bring back the old reality I think they'll mess it up

Me too Ibs!

At this point I am scared if they resurrect characters ... because you know Todd's just going to go evil and dismember Damon in the first five seconds.

Like Alan Scott's parter was killed immediately. A lot of big whup over this same sex relationship and then they neutered Alan Scott immediately.

That was so sad. They make an established character gay, thll his boyfriend right away. Gah!

Considering it took them over 20 years to decide officially that Todd was gay, this should surprise no one.

Infinity Inc needs a comeback and to be done well. But at this point it would be their grand children. We're getting a long way from World War II.

Having Obsidian and partner try for adoption and not get it reads like a bit of a cop out to me, regardless of how well it was done. If Superman and Lois wanted to adopt a child with resulting gushing fanfare, I wonder if it would have gone the same way.

In the same way as having a gay Alan Scott only to kill off his partner almost immediately also reads like a cop out.

On one hand, both could have been used to lead into lots of other stories. Todd looks at his purpose as a hero and whether the monthly spandex fighting really solves anything, if he can't get a family. Alan may have used the death of his partner to give him the will to succeed in that man's memory. We could get to see other gay relationship form in the magazine from the beginning.

Peebz, my grandparents were about the same age as the JSAers, if not younger, and I'll be 45 this year. It could be their great-grandchildren at this point!

If only we could have had a solidly selling title that focuses on the heroes in their prime. Paging Mr Thomas....Mr Thomas ...

Or we could have Jennie-Lynn and company mentoring the new generation of heroes.

(Just not while the current editors and creators are still at DC.)

I don't know if Roy Thomas is the answer, though. I think we need a fresh perspective, but I can't think of any modern writers that could pull it off.

Roy Thomas created some of my favorite characters and wrote some of my favorite comics stories ever. His weakest point seemed to be in writing dialogue. His characters often seemed to have a stilted manner of speaking, there wasn't much variation from one character's "voice" to another, and the characters tended to use the same expressions, even if they were odd for the situation. The expression "waste" to me "kill" was very common. People also seemed to be "going great guns" a lot.

Thomas certainly had his faults, including the dialogue as Rocky mentioned, but he was a ground-breaking writer in a lot of ways. As much as I like a lot of his DC work in the 80s, my favorite stuff he did was for Marvel during the late 60s and early 70s. At that time, he was constantly reinventing the wheel in ways that I think a lot of readers now take for granted.

Looking back at a few Infinity Inc comics, the issues are verbose.

Which, in a way, means you're getting more writing for your money. But it does have a dated quality. Thomas likes to give everyone something to add. Which is nice. However, it means that panels are crowded by every member, all with a fragment of minutiae to add to the scene.

An example being the new Infinitors crashing a JSA meeting saying that they look short handed, when there are 15 of them sitting around the table.

But they are often great introductions for new readers. America vs the JSA told you absolutely everything you ever wanted to know about the group, all within a very interesting framing plot.

While the voice does get diluted across the cast, the quality of the actual plotting was always decent.