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I sent him a message too. Maybe he's just been busy.

I thought the JLU toon versions would do a bit better too, but I guess most people prefer their comic book versions. I know that for most I'd pick the comics versions too.



Got it, Set! Thanks too!



A quick glance at the votes so far tells me some characters who've been doing well up to now are in serious danger, alright.

The last four voters who've been playing in this game also have pretty diverse tastes, so I think pretty much anything could still happen. I think only characters who've broken 300 so far are safe.



I read the League at that time, and I'm positive he wasn't a member during that period. He did hang out with Starfire in other series, but not in the League.

Wikipedia says he got honorary status in DC Special 27. I have no idea when that was I also never read any issues with him being involved with the League; he's in this game because of Wikipedia!

He's certainly powerful enough to have been a Leaguer. I wonder what would happen if Captain Comet and J'Onn battled it out. Hmmm!

J'Onn wins, nine times out of ten, I'd think.

Captain Comet is probably one of the few DC heroes he couldn't mind-blast into submission, but I think the Manhunter's physical powers are more than a match for Adams.

Well, Morrison had him meet the Year One: Jeans and T-Shirt Superman over in Action (and then brought him back for the finale). He starts off as more of a villain, but by the end he's formed the new Wanderers.

I agree. From Wiki[edia, his current level of physical power is greatly diminished and certainly not at J'Onn levels. Plus, J'Onn's intangibility and shapeshifting still give him an edge.

Maybe I'll partner them together against a pair of Legionnaires next time I'm up on JLA/JSA vs. Legion!

His powers have been pretty inconsistent over the years, so it's definitely going to depend on which portrayal you choose.

I'd agree that in raw physical terms J'Onn has the advantage. However, Comet's clairvoyance negates some of J'Onn's other advantages (invisibility, shapeshifting). Being able to use his energy bolts to exploit J'Onn's weakness to fire would even things up quite a bit, though.

Who hasn't voted yet this round who had previously voted?

razsolo, Blacula, and Quislet I believe!

Xben is the fourth.

So, any of you plan on running forecasts for how the four of them might vote?



Oh, I'm curious. How does Captain Comet's clairvoyance work? Is it like Postboot, Post-Khund training Dreamer with her waking flashes, or is it more like Preboot Dream Girl with her visions coming to her in dreams? Can he trigger it on demand or does it just happen?

I assume it's intentional. I think it's usually used to locate an object he is looking for, as in his very first display of powers:

Thanks, EDE. I guess it's also not so much precognition as some form of sixth sense.

Clairvoyance is squiffily defined as 'remote viewing' for the most part, being able to see distant events. (Unlike precognition, which is being able to see events in the future, or retrocognition / postcognition, seeing objects in the past.)

Finding a lost item is more of a dowsing sort of thing, than a clairvoyance thing. (Clairaudience is being able to hear thing remotely, etc. Superman's X-Ray vision and Super-hearing often seem to have elements of these psychic remote sensing powers, as he can see walls into rooms as if they were lit, even though the light can't pass through the walls and he'd see everything in black and white, but that's more comic-book powers than anything.)

But, as with all psychic terminology, it's used pretty indiscriminately in comic books.

It's kind of neat how psychic powers get used in comics. Longshot and Snowbird have postcognition/retrocognition as one of their lesser used powers. Dream Girl and Ravager are rare characters who almost entirely work off of precognition. Telepathy, in Marvel, comes with sixteen discrete other powers, in addition to thought reading and thought sending, including completely unrelated stuff like astral projection and illusion-casting!

And telekinesis, which is discrete but often gets "pasted onto" telepaths (Tellus, Jean Grey and Psylocke, I'm looking at you). There are quite a few who can also fire "mental force" bolts, right?

And we also have the ones who specialize in taking control of other people, like Karma and Mentalla.

Yeah, and it's weird, because you can have a completely viable and awesome and effective character based on just one of these aspects. Karma and Moonstar, of the New Mutants, got by for ages on a tiny fraction of what any old telepath can do in the Marvel universe (and, even then, 'pure' telepaths are rarer, as they seem to get added telekinesis, ninja skills and / or a diamond form, because, apparently, a dozen telepathy-adjacent psychic powers is somehow 'not enough'). Even Cypher's instant translation power pales by comparison to the generic telepathic stunt of not only translating any language instantly, but being able to touch people on the forehead and teach them any language instantly (or impart upon them years of skills in other fields, for that matter!).

Telekinesis is another one Marvel does funky things with. It's supposed to be 'move stuff with your mind,' not 'create fluffy Pink Lantern energy constructs and force fields and stuff.'

One of the reasons I've generally loved the Legion over the years is that the cast is so huge that it's rarely seen as necessary to strap more and more powers onto characters like Dream Girl or Invisible Kid, who would be seen as 'too weak' or 'too limited' on other teams.

Then again, it's the Legion, where some of the legendary badasses have powers like 'make it dark' or 'knows karate,' and the 'fourth founder' and oft-times most popular Legionnaire has the super power of 'being really smart.'

Yeah, "pure" telepaths like Saturn Girl can excel with "just" the standard telepathic fare of mental communication, affecting the senses etc. Her more complex feats like putting people to sleep or creating convincing illusions can be justified as natural extensions of her "core" telepathic abilities, probably brought out through practice and hard work. And Tellus was at least born with both telepathy and telekinesis. No need to use random secondary mutations or insane body-switching to explain the addition of new unrelated powers

I do kind of love the assumption seen online on occasion that the X-teams *need* a telepath, as if every other superhero team ever hasn't gone for decades without one.

Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing someone who fits the telepath communications functionality using some other means, like nano-technology or air manipulation to convey voices or magical talismans or something. Legion Flight Rings and / or telepathic earplugs already cover some of that utility (team communications), but there's plenty of design space for a non-telepath 'team radio,' like some sort of alien shapeshifter that injects some of its own neural tissue into allies, and can communicate through that grafted tissue as easily as it can communicate between parts of its 'brain' in the same body.

If advanced enough technology were introduced, Oracle could fit that role for the League. That's a very interesting idea you have there on alien neural tissue, whew! Or maybe a "swarm" type bug alien - was it you who conceptualized that in one of the character brainstorming threads on the boards?

A telepath isn't needed to succeed, but I can see why so many people think the X-teams "need" one. They just give such a big tactical advantage. In JLA/Avengers, the Avengers were oohing and aahing over J'Onn's telepathic link.

Yeah, in the original stories CC seems to have all kinds of randomly appearing enhanced-sensory powers (he is able to tell color by touch, for example).

If I had to pseudo-science it, I'd bet a lot of it could be explained as a function of telekinesis. If he has some sort of mental force that can move objects, then presumably that force can also be used to map out/locate objects in his surroundings. (I suspect Kinetix could do very much the same sort of thing).

That makes sense. If he's generating some sort of psionic energy to move things, then it should be usable like sonar, to just 'feel' the presence of objects around him. That might also make for some creepy feelings for those around him, if he's unconsciously 'tele-mapping' his surroundings at all times, and a particularly sensitive person might actually feel the waves of psionic energy he's releasing for that purpose. Meeting someone with a power like that might feel like you are walking into a faint breeze or high pressure area (perhaps even with ear popping!), as their power invisibly washes over people (and objects) around them.

DC Special 27:

Comet is on the JLA Satellite as he feels an affinity with Hawkman, the two of them feel a long way from home.

A comet streaks from the future. Tommy Tomorrow is caught up in it's wake and it transports him into prehistory. In 1977, on it;s way to the past, it causes dinosaurs to appear on Earth. Hawkman makes Comet an honorary member so that Comet can monitor things while Hawkman goes off to Gotham. Other JLA members also respond making you wonder why Hawkman made such a decision. It's all a plan of Chronos. He wants the comet and has drawn it through time. But it misses and ends up in the past. He's able to draw it back, but gets Tomorrow and Tyrano Rex (a creature transformed by the comet) too. Tomorrow & Comet beat all the villains and Superman transports everyone to their correct times.

Something else else bullet shaped drawn backwards through time, like the bullet used by Morrison in Final Crisis. Interesting.

So, his honorary membership is legit, even if it was just done by Hawkman to get him out of monitor duty. Comet was appearing in SSoSV at this time too.

There's an excellent text piece on Tomorrow's early appearances too. It highlights the different dates in which his stories were set.

Crap! A Tommy Tomorrow appearance as well? I must read that!

Now that I think about it... I don't think I ever read the second volume reprinting the SSoV from a couple years back!

Tommy Tomorrow...and Brent!

I loved John Bolton's depiction of Jean Grey's powers in a second story in Classice X-Men (5 ish) and she's getting ready for a date with Scott, now infamous scene when they get kidnapped by sentinels ... and everything is just flying around with a look or a few fingers ... no pink Green Lantern just things whizzing around the room. It looked so cool. I wish I could find an image but I can't.

Telekinesis is portrayed best in an animated or televised capacity, since the motion can be shown, and it's not just a scene of a person and one or more random objects hovering in mid-air. (The scene of Dr. Manhattan dressing himself before the interview in the Watchmen movie, with all the stuff hovering around him, or of Miss Martian surrounded by cooking materials in the Young Justice cartoon, for instance.) It's super-common as 'magic' in various shows, like Supernatural or Buffy or Charmed.

Comic book portrayals of magnetism are more likely to look like good uses of telekinesis, since Polaris and Magneto are less likely to have visible energy manifestations drawn on the page, in recent years. (Cosmic Boy, unfortunately, tends to have those pink or blue energy circles and 'sproing! sound effect.)

Blacula viewed the topic last night but didn't vote! He and the other three could make a HUGE difference!

SPROING!