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Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac

Guy Gardner and Ice vs. Saturn Girl and Lightning Lad

Imra stalemates or telepathically overpowers Guy, Garth zaps them both. Imra and Garth win!

Zatanna vs Kinetix!

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Even though I am biased and I love Zoe, if it's normal Kinetix then Zatanna wins.

If it's ill-defined power terrorform Zoe... Zatanna still wins. She can just magic the terrorform powers away. (though I suppose Zoe could evolve super speed to zap Zatanna first!)

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Orion and Big Barda vs. Karate Kid and Sensor Girl


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hmmm ... that is a tough one ... but I think the New Gods must have some extra sensory powers too and might be able to use their energy blasts in wide arcs taking out a hidden Sensor Girl.

Here's how it goes:

Karate Kid takes on Orion, Barda Blasts KK. Sensor Girl uses her power to confuse them both ... giving Orion and Barda nightmares of Apocalypse but both of them have conquered the real thing already so a wide blast from Barda wipes out my beloved Sensor Girl.

jeez, this is tough, if sensor girl strikes first, then karate kid could sneak up and try to take out the new gods from behind yet ... he would still be in the illusion too so ... my first scenario wins.

sensor girl and karate kid could play defense or hide and seek for days if this was a story but if its a battle i think the new god constitution and wide range of powers will win.



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Mr Miracle and Barda vs. Laurel Gand and Brainaic Five

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Well, they are New Gods... Mr. Miracle never seemed that powerful to me, but I think he could find a way to slip past Brainy's forcefield. And Big Barda definitely has better combat skills than even well-trained and powerful Laurel. It's possible for Brainy and Laurel but I think in an all-out brawl, I agree with Peebz, the New Gods would win.

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Aztek vs. Gear

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oh Gear!

I'm not even sure what Aztek's powers are ... but I bet Gear could hack them! I was hoping for a Gear battle.

oh shoot. I just read his suit is magical. It shorts out Gears attempts to hack it ... frown

poor Gear. Aztek wins.


I see we are all avoiding the big five .. because they are all uber powerful. frown


Wonder Woman, Batman, Superman, Green Lantern and the Flash.

versus.

The original Legion Lost line up:
Monstress, Brainiac 5.1, Umbra, Kid Quantum, Saturn Girl, Live Wire, Apparition, and Chameleon, Shikari, Ultra Boy, Wildfire and pre progenitor Element Lad.

That's 12 versus 5.

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Brainiac 5 stalls for time with his forcefield, Kid Quantum II puts everyone into stasis, Saturn Girl commands Batman to sleep, Element Lad transmutes some kryptonite, Umbra blinds Flash while he's still in stasis making him easy pickings for Apparition, and everyone else piles on Wonder Woman.

Legion Lost team for the win!

Wow, what a fun fight!

Next:

JSA new kids

Stargirl, Cyclone, Lightning, Obsidian, Liberty Belle II (Jesse Quick), Damage, Wildcat II, Citizen Steel, Judomaster, Mister America, Magog, Amazing Man, Doctor Fate, Manhunter, Red Beetle, Ri, Darknight, Superman of Earth-22, King Chimera, Roxy, Anna Fortune

vs.

the non-Lost Legionnaires

Cosmic Boy, Triad, XS, Invisible Kid, Leviathan, Spark, Kinetix, Shrinking Violet, M'Onel, Gates, Sensor, Ferro, Karate Kid, Thunder, Timber Wolf, Dreamer, Gear, Chuck Taine piloting the Bouncing Boy, Kid Quantum I with a working forcefield belt, Magno with magnetic powers, Andromeda before she became a nun

That's 21 vs. 21.

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This one is too tough for me.


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I was hoping you'd do this one Peebs smile

XS, Thunder, Kinetix, Mon El & Andromeda keep Superman, Jesse Quick and Fate busy.

Quantum Kid then freezes the others for a moment as Sensor disorientates them allowing Taine to squish them with the Bouncing Boy. The it's the whole Legion against the few survivors. Game over.

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Every member of the Legion past, present and future against every member of the JLA past, present and future.

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Shadow Lass vs Ian Karkull


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Shadow Lass hiyah drop kick karate chop ...


I teethed on the Fatal Five!



Ian who ?

Jack O Lantern versus Persuader

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Persuader's axe slices electricity, gravity and Jack O Lantern's head.

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Emerald Empress vs. Guy Gardner w/ his GL ring

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Emerald Empress wins everything.

Guy Gardner is smart enough to try and charm his way out of this one, right before he runs, and still he ends up missing some teeth.

She may even take his ring!

Emerald Empress versus Black Canary and Zatanna

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I think Zee can do more things than the Empress. Let's say Zee and Empress stalemate each other, and Canary attacks Empress. Empress wallops Canary but is distracted enough for Zee to win

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Color Kid vs. Big Sir

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Color Kid is smart and resourceful enough to trick Big Sir into doing something stupid like walking off a roof so score 1 for the Subs in this case!

If we're doing bad guys as well...how about Sinestro vs Emerald Empress?

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We did that one. Empress wiped that mustache right off his face.


Bizarro Superman versus Pulsar Stargrave

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Bizarro talk fuses Stargraves circuits shortly before Bizarro goes for the kill. Me am not winner! Me did not create Disco Pulsar!

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All-in Peace >slap< silly Bizzaro talk...

Mon El vs Orion


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Orion killed Darkseid once, and his Wikipedia entry says he is as strong as Superman. And Orion's "Astro Force" is supposedly powerful enough to shield from Darkseid's Omega Effect. And he's a highly trained warrior with instinct to boot.

Huh, didn't realize these New Gods were so powerful...

Orion for the win. I'd pick him in a fight against Superman even.

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Jade vs. Celeste Rockfish

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Jade. I can't get Kingdom Come Jade out of my head and she seemed like such a badnass.

No powers, Celeste would pistol whip her.

This is a tough one because Neon can turn intangible ... but I bet Jade could do. Jade has a lot more superhero cred and experience though.

I pick Jade, dunno, it is close.



Green Lantern Mon El versus Orion

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Ooh, interesting. Well, we know that strong-willed GLs can survive Superman-level punches. I think the GL ring could sway things in Mon's favor. I'll give this one to Mon.

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Kid Quantum II vs. Jesse Quick

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Oh Jesse Quick, I love KQ 2 but super speed plus sonics ... she dodges even the crazy ambiguously powered blasts of KQ long enough to wipe her out with a sonic blast or a punch.

The problem is KQ would have to hit her, and even though she's large and in charge ... I think Jesse would knock her out first.

Hourman vs. Bouncing Boy

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I thought Kid Q could just throw up a blanket stasis field, but I guess Jesse could be fast enough to outrun the setting up of said field! I didn't know Jesse has sonic powers though...

Re Hourman vs. BB - I guess this is either Rick or Rex Tyler.

Tough one. Hourman's strong, but more importantly I read somewhere that their increased resistance includes invulnerability to small arms fire? If that is true, poor Chuck won't be able to damage them much. They can't hurt Chuck back either with his limited invulnerability so...

Light bulb went off in my head! Chuck can win, if he waits out the one hour. As soon as Hourman is powerless, bam! Chuck bowls into him.

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Triad vs. Nightwing

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Originally Posted by thothkins
Every member of the Legion past, present and future against every member of the JLA past, present and future.

Well, the JLA/JSA have the Jim Corrigan Spectre and the Hal Jordan Spectre, who are by definition as omnipotent as possible in the DCU, the Presence willing.

At just a slightly lower power levels, there is Superman Gold of DC One Million, the 864th century Hourman, Doctor Fate, and Johnny and Jakeem Thunder.

And the Phantom Stranger. Who knows what his power levels look like.

The only Legionnaires near these levels are the Black Witch, Mxyzptlk V, and the Progenitor.

Plus I think JLA/JSA just plain outnumbers the Legionnaires, even if you throw in the Subs, the heroes of Lallor, and every set of Wanderers.

So, no, sorry, I don't think the Legion as a whole could take JLA / JSA as a whole.

Carry on.


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Totally agree with you there.

Even if it were just the JLA, you have several Green Lanterns (Hal, John, Guy, Kyle, Jade); multiple Flashes (Barry, Wally); the ff. heroes deemed powerful enough to storm the Anti-Monitor's fortress in COIE: Martian Manhunter, Captain Atom, two Firestorms, Dr. Light, Ray (son of the Ray who actually took part in COIE, but I'd assume same power level), Superman, Supergirl, Wonder Woman; Zatanna, plus the aforementioned Phantom Stranger and two versions of Dr. Fate.

If just the JSA, you mentioned Spectre, future Hourman, and Thunderbolt, and let's add Alan Scott and Jay Garrick and multiple Doctor Fates, Captain Marvel and Black Adam, and the Kingdom Come Superman and their own versions of Wonder Woman.


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Ah the old comic cliche of the antagonists attacking one after the other. But not in this bout! Lu's Trijitsu results in Nightwing being overwhelmed. Before he can use his man-slut power to have a one night stand with one of them, it's over.

Next Bout:
Nemesis Kid vs The Spectre


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It that had been Roy Harper, he'd have been beaten even faster. Triad does not like smarmy pickup lines.

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Nemesis Kid's power adapts to let him flee.

But I think Spectre can probably be scarier than Projectra so Nemesis is dust.

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