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Infectious Lass! It's not like she needs to see to release her power...I won't cite the latest instalment of my critically acclaimed fan fiction to support this as that would be a gross example of self-promotion

Hmmm how about Power Girl vs Andromeda?

Yes, umm, in the metaphor above, Bill Gates is the super-intelligent man from the future (Brainiac 5) while William the Conquerer is the brilliant strategist, highly skilled in combat, rich-as-a-king man from the past (Batman). So, yeah, I was agreeing with you, and disgreeing with the absurd DC Rule 42.

Thunder -vs.- Zauriel

An enraged Thunder may stand a chance if she gets the first punch or two in, effectively sending Zauriel back for another chat with his maker.

However, the longer it goes on the more chance the Wim Wenders reject has to uncouple Thunder from her mystical source/ render immobile through sonic scream etc.

So, I'm going, reluctantly, with Zauriel.

Next bout:

Martian Manhunter vs Saturn Girl in a minds only bout.

Imra's probably slightly stronger, but J'Onn's greater stamina comes into play as he rope-a-dopes and just plain outlasts her for the win.

Next: Wildcat vs. Invisible Kid (Lyle).

Ted for the win, even if Lyle gets in a few hits first.

Next bout:
Oracle vs Computo

Oracle vs Computo? I'd give it to Computo more often than not. The only way I can see Oracle scoring a win is if they're in the same room with no dangerous technology around so Babs can beat her up.

In every other situation, Danielle shuts down her access & even if she can't physically touch her she can keep her effectively trapped wherever she is using technology (or send Red Tornado/Red Rocket suits if she's feeling particularly overkilly).

Aquaman vs Tellus?

"I can talk to fish" vs. true telepathy & telekinesis? Even the "I am very strong because I live in a pineapple on the bottom of the sea" Aquaman is over-matched by Tellus' big, strong pectoral fins.

Definitely Tellus.

(Incidentally, Barbara has taken on Babbage, the Calculator, Kilg%re, the Original Brainiac, and beaten them all. I am not so sure she could not take down Invisible Kid's little sister as well.)

Blok -vs.- Sand (Sanderson Hawkins)

Definitely Sand - for Blok, it'd be like fighting a Btzglan when he tried to land a punch, while Sand could manipulate his actual body like yer average guy fighting Tomb. Blok's the last Legionnaire you'd put up against him!

M'Onel/Mon-El vs. Sentinel/GL (Alan)

Mon-El is strong, but Sentinel's powers are based on magic. I'm pretty sure Daxamites share the Kryptonian weakness to magic. So it's Sentinel for the win.

Next:

Quislet vs. Firestorm

Thanks for clearing that up.

Yes, DC Rule 42 is absurd. And I think even without access to futuristic technology, Brainiac 5's forcefield alone should enable him to beat Batman. Heck, any number of 21st century heroes should be able to do the same despite Batman's superior intellect and tactics.

Firestorm wins. Stein will figure out some way of containing the little critter before Quislet can find enough things to possess and hit Firestorm with.

Next:

Green Arrow vs Biron the Bowman

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It would be a funny fight.

"But you can see out of your forcefield, and I can see you, so I should be able to incapacitate you with a seizure-inducing strobe of light!"

"Thought of that. When I was four. Won't work."

"And sound clearly goes through..."

"Nope."

"You can breathe, would tear gas..."

"Denied."

"I bluff you into thinking I'm unconscious so you drop your forcefield to check on me..."

"You realize that I won this battle a million times in my head while you were thinking of that idea? Also I've just gone back in time and sued the Midnighter for stealing my catch-phrases before I invented it."

Set, I would love to see you write a fight scene between Brainy and Batman. Maybe throw in Midnighter and Mr. Terrific too!



Because Biron is really Comet, all he has to do is stall until he turns into a super horse again. Poor Green Arrow.

Next:

Thunder vs. Mary Marvel

I bet Green Arrow would have a sugar cube arrow in there somewhere to deal with Comet's horsey shenanigans!

I say Mary Marvel beats Thunder because DC will realise they haven't corrupted her to the full extent and Mary will go full pseudo-lesbian Hannibal Lecter on poor Thunder and eat her while making her drink her own tears or something (not that I'm bitter or anything DC!)

Have we had Metamorpho vs Element Lad yet?

Not yet.

Still going with Element Lad on this one, as he can stop Metamorpho before Rex even gets anywhere near him.

Next:

"best buds" Booster Gold and Blue Beetle vs. "best buds" Cosmic Boy and Live Wire

Rokk & Garth on this one over Michael and Ted.

Booster had to steal a flight ring that the others have earned over and over. Besides, as smart as Ted is, the raw power of the Legionnaires easily shorts out/magnetises/repels/fries anything he can come up with.

Aside: Happy that Super Horse was picked up on. Just what I was thinking. Bonus pun points to Ibby for putting "stall" in the sentence.

Aside: deranged Mary Marvel = another ruined DC character = DC editorial idiots.

Next Bout:
Post Crisis Superman vs the Legion's pre Crisis Superboy.

On the surface this looks like a mismatch. On other comic book forums, pre-Crisis characters are generally forbidden because they are considered too powerful. I take it that by Post-Crisis Superman we mean the current version. The current version of Superman has a bit of Golden Age ethos about him, while I assume Pre-Crisis Superboy's ethics are based on the Comics Code. While Post-Crisis Superman is less powerful, he would use more brutal force and win.

Are all these matches taking place in a neutral environment?

Obsidian vs. Shadow Lass

I'm going with Obsidian, possibly based on some faulty memory.

Obsidian can become intangible. So although nowhere near as proficient in combat, this should give him a huge advantage. If Shadow Lass gets in a few shots or if their shadow powers make Obsidian tangible, then it would be Shady. But based on what I remember, I'm giving it to Todd.

Anything I reply to has a neutral combat area.

Aside: I was thinking of an established Byrne-era Superman actually, but the point is the same. This was a Superman who could kill as a last resort.


Gravity Boy vs Golden Age Star Man

I'm not sure what Obsidian's powers are anymore. But Shadow Lass has better hand to hand skills, and even though Obsidian's more powerful the creeping self-doubt and mental illness inflicted upon him by many writers causes him to crouch in a corner during the fight.

Next:

Apparition vs. Martian Manhunter in a phasing/hand-to-hand combat only fight



I think we can assume that.



Great minds?

I completely agree about Mary Marvel too. Oh well. I suppose heroes aren't allowed to be sweet and innocent and bright and shiny.

Obsidian –vs.- Shadow Lass
Todd has a much greater diversity of powers. He is able not only to cast shadows, but to “inhabit” them, teleport through them, and has access to some weird other-dimensional shadow-realm. He can create solid shadow-constructs, similar to power-ring wielders. In his shadow-form, he can increase his own size, and to an extent, his shape. I imagine that he could even take control of Tasmia’s own shadow-projections, and turn them to his own use. So, yeah, I would agree Obsidian wins.

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Phantom Girl –vs.- Martian Manhunter (intangibility only)
I’m not sure I understand what sort of contest is being suggested here. It is certainly not a “rock ‘em, sock ‘em ‘til you drop ‘em” bout.

Perhaps a gauntlet of various substances through which they are required to successively “phase” in some sort of obstacle-course-like race?

The source of their respective powers is very different. Tinya essentially “walks around” objects by traveling off into a fourth spatial dimension. J’Onn’s intangibility is based more on his shape-shifting ability, and his control over his own molecular structure—as when Chameleon Boy once shape-shifted into the form of an “intangible phantom”.

Any sufficiently dense substance, perhaps inertron or neutronium, would probably be impenetrable to the Martian Manhunter, as would any object energized with sufficient power to harm him. (Is there any amount of electrical power sufficient to harm him?) He would probably have some difficulty with really good force fields, as well.

The only thing that would give Tinya any trouble would be a wall which extends out beyond the three-dimensional world: the Time Trapper’s “Iron Curtain of Time”, or a fifth-dimensional Zrfffn barrier of some kind, or some sort of magical obstruction. And I don’t see that J’Onn would have any better luck with any of those, either.

Phantom Girl for the win.

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Gravity Boy –vs.- Golden Age Starman
Despite Gravity Boy’s time at the Legion Academy, going up against Ted at any point in his career beyond the first couple of years would be a contest of youthful enthusiasm overmatched by greater skill and experience. While Starman’s powers are vested in his star-rod, I don’t believe Gravity Boy would have any success in trying to affect it directly—such as making it too heavy for Starman to lift. After all, it is designed to absorb gravitational energy from the stars!

Golden Age Starman for the win.
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Next up:
Mxyzptlk V –vs.- The Phantom Stranger

Mxy V is the "good" Mxy who joined the Adult Legion, right?

Both combatants then have very broad magical abilities. Based on their portrayals though, I think Phantom Stranger's abilities are broader. I'll go with the Stranger

For Tinya vs MM above, I was thinking of a hand to hand combat exercise where MM is stripped of his enhanced strength, speed and durability but your way works too

Next:

Kid Quantum II vs. Hourman (robot)

It would have to be the android. It has control over time as well as all of the normal Hourman abilities. Kid Q is a bit less well defined and I think she'd be well beaten.

Aside: I'd have gone for the reality altering Mr Mxyz over the supernatural Stranger; Tinya's lifelong use of her powers over MM's occasional use of it (drag into Buffer Zone and left there)

Next Bout:

Metamorpho vs Chameleon Boy

Sorry Cham, Metamorpho only has to become a noxious gas and you're down and out!

Vixen vs Timber Wolf?