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She didn't have her powers as a child. She got them as a cop right?

That's how I remember it, too. Lazy writers...

Yeah, most of Nextwave, while funny, I'm agreeing with the writers wasn't entirely canonical.

For instance, I'm pretty sure that Captain America never told Monica to sit a fight out and go make him a sandwich, either.

Or that Aaron Stack cools his computer brain with beer. Or that the Celestials called him a loser, complete with Arishem making an 'L-for-loser' sign on his forehead with his hand.

Or that the year old baby Elsa Bloodstone was ever thrown into a pit with giant monsters by her father, to toughen her up.

Indeed, if I pretend that pretty much everything Ellis or Bendis have ever written is out of continuity (even more so than Nextwave, which is explicitly out of continuity), I'm a happier comic book fan.

On the other hand, the notion that some shadowy organization has made dozens of clones of Wolverine using gorilla DNA, including one King Kong sized specimen, that's gotta be canon somewhere in the multiverse...

I laughed out loud when I read:

"For instance, I'm pretty sure that Captain America never told Monica to sit a fight out and go make him a sandwich, either."

HAHAHAHA. He's such a sexist!

ouch!

I never read Nextwave, now I'm glad I didn't. Ellis really makes me mad sometimes. I recently tried to read a trade collecting his earliest issues of Stormwatch. I gave up on it after one issue. The only thing more annoying than a comic book writer who looks down at the form is a talented comic book writer who looks down at the form but who sometimes writes amazing stuff and then turns around and writes absolute garbage.

I was never a big Image/ Stormwatch reader. I possibly picked up something Alan Moore wrote for it? I did end up getting the early Ellis issues, having read the 10 issue series and then into the Authority.

I do recall a large part of the cast being effectively fired. Then the characters he hadn't created being killed by Aliens (as in the ones from the films in a cross over)*.

Some decent ideas in it all, but never really got to follow through on the execution. The ideas would have been better placed running in isolation in a series of their own. Looking back I think it was the Hitch art that stands out most.

Still, the worst issue of that run, was much more entertaining than any issue of the new one.

*Needless to say everyone returned form the dead once Ellis had gone.

I think the reason Ellis has problems with follow-through is that he gets bored quickly. That's why, for example, Planetary has both some of his best and some of his worst writing.

Ah Planetary... So much early promise... so little final delivery. Never mind the Levitz Legion. Planetary was a book that went through a number of closing issues with a whimper.

Nice art throughout though.

Planetary ... was great. Jakita and Drums are some of the best characters!

In fact I model my Power Boy after a male Jakita!

It didn't all add up though ... and seemed like it would should / was supposed to. But I thought as far as whimpers go the ending was pretty good.

For me, it was let down by it's own promise. Opening issues of a strange world of super-archeology became a couple of closing arcs of a poor Fantastic Four rip off.

Readable enough due to the art, but it plodded along with it's suddenly impervious main cast.

Jakita being the heavy hitter, in her Trinity-clone outfit (this was right after Matrix made that look crazy popular, as I recall), and a really kickass character with cold powers (hardly the showiest choice!), did a lot to make me like it initially.

I never liked (or really 'got') the Drummer, 'though.

And then they Matrixed it up another notch with the guy who ran across walls and shot people, and I lost interest. I'm sure it would have made a hell of a Wachowski Brothers movie, 'though!

It's "The Wachowskis" now, Set. Larry became Linda.

I thought they had good takes on people's powers, the cold guy's powers were cold not let me do anything I want with ice.

I am not remembering it as well as I thought. I will have to look it up again. I think I liked it better than the rest of people here it seems.

I'd like to see Ellis do the Avengers though. (has he?)

If only for an 8 issue-er.

Maybe we can all re read it together!

He wrote a six-issue arc of Secret Avengers (17-22, IIRC). It was good for a while, then he had the Beast commit mass murder at the end.

He also wrote a new Avengers graphic novel. It's drawn by Mike McKone, but I'm still not gonna read it. That's how much I'm over Ellis.

Oh I didn't like Secret Avengers ... sorry I know there's fans here but I didn't dig it ... even before the Best apparently committed mass murder.


New Avengers + Mike McKone ... sounds interesting ....

ohhh it seems to be a movie avengers book ... my pet peve ... is the movisation of comics ... to each their own medium is my preference.

I can't stand that Tony Stark now looks like RD Jr. ugh. and even though Chris Hemsworth is super cute ... I think Thor might look different.

Picked up Uncanny Avengers 012 against my better judgement ... nothing has happened since 011.

Cap, Wasp and Havok are still trying to get to the Apocalypse Twins. The Twins are still annoying ... Wanda talks to Wonder Man about what the Twins talked to her about last issue.

I just picked it up because I wanted some comics to read.

Plus ... this is the worst work of Salvador Larroca's career. By far. I didn't even know it was him until page 7. Even then I went back to check the credits to see which pages he did. he did them ALL????

One other minor annoyance is the Wasp is just around for laughs and to perk up and flirt with Havok.

I am a huge fan of the Wasp and this dosn't even sound like the Wasp of recent history much less the well nuanced Wasp of Stern.

yeah, the issue I read had the Wasp trying to pick up Havok. It just read so poorly.

It makes her seem like a cougar too. And I don't think she is that much older but ... he seems so disinterested.

It just reads as they are throwing Wasp under (well not a bus) but a VW bug to make Havok seem more cool.

nothing like destroying a character to make your favourites look better. A comic tradition since...

Perhaps there was more to the JSA treating Johnny Thunder as a joke than I thought. Maybe they were all insecure.

As someone who really loved his Fantastic Four run, and who cannot get enough of his Image comics, I have to finally admit just how dissapointed I am in Jonathan Hickman's Avengers titles.

It may be that he's simply stretched himself too thin with an enormous cast, and he's overshot with his overly epic plotlines. Or no matter how hard he's tried, he can't quite figure out what the Avengers mean to him. Because the stories and characters both just feel so, so flat.

And unlike many of you, I did like his FF run quite a bit, which at least had a coherent consistency from start to finish.

With the release of Avengers World #1, which I picked up, that makes three Hickman Avengers titles in one month that I found myself breezing through from start to finish without barely reading the dialogue. That's a clear indicator that its time to move on.

Marvel is really kicking ass right now, too. Some of their series are among the very best in the industry. A shame the Avengers titles aren't a part of that.

I am stuck between saying FINALLY and ... sorry your book didn't turn out for you because I have very few I am into, much less at the big two, and I empathize and sympathize with the disappointment.


Mighty Avengers is one of my favorite books, I think it is the only team super hero book I am getting now and I wait in anticipation each month ... it is exciting ... if very short and struggling with the pace being stretched out which is common at the big two ... and I think that Hickman's Avengers is an extreme example of stretched out pacing!

But I totally love his other books. Missed Opportunity WRIT LARGE!