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Someone's got to completely explain this "Hawkeye raped Wanda" thing. I can't be quite as simple as that, or the internet would have just completely imploded when it happened. Petty sure I would have noticed......?

Oh, as for me...I used to really love Wolverine until Marvel decided to start capitalizing on him beyond belief. Especially, when they started filling in his background, it was a huge letdown. No actual story could ever love up to what our imaginations came up with for this mystery msn. The Weapon X story and all the background characters they forced in--it was all the beginning of the end for me. By the time
"Origin" came around, I was already sick of the character. At least I had already jumped off before I wasted good money on that!

And now, of course, he's on every X-Men and Avenger team and has 2 or 3 solo books on top of those.

Sickening.

Wolverine always bugged me. From a gaming standpoint, he's a terrible character to play, both because his powers kind of suck (he's got no real defense, other than getting back up after you beat him like a redheaded stepchild, he's got no offense that can reach past his hands, making him deadweight against people who can fly, or have force fields, or any of a dozen other terribly common powers, and he's got no way of transporting himself around, making him dependent on being carried or thrown at problems) and in personality (moody antisocial loner who causes conflict in every group he joins and has a history of attacking teammates, just what *everybody* needs...).

So, really, I don't think any writer could make him worse. Even if his dad was an extradimensional mutant demon and he got elected Pope, I'd be like, 'eh.'

That this happened instead to Nightcrawler, a character I liked, was more annoying, but I think that that entire storyline has been retconned away anyway. And if not, I've personally retconned it anyway. So take that, Chuck Austen!

As to something cleome said a few pages back, I remember feeling really uncomfortable when some fans over at the DC boards called Shady a 'slut' for shacking up with Earth-Man. That's another thing I can't bring myself to blame Shady for. Bad writing is bad. No excuse, and no reason to blame the character, or engage in slut-shaming or sex-copping behaviors.

Ummm, not to spoil things too much, but did you read that arc to completion? No everything is as it seems in the scenario you listed above.

No sir. No sir I did not. I jumped ship.

I am not sure I am curious enough to look into but I feel a bit better.

Morrisson did a great Emme Frost but after he changed, to join the X-Team and hook up with Cyclops, her other writers haven't taken her anywhere good. Now she is just Cyclop's babe ... he likes telepaths it seems ... instead of the brilliant woman who took on all the X-Men and started a school to compete with Charles Xavier's.

His secondary mutations also were interesting at the time but after it was over it just left characters diluted. IMO.

Spoilers, Ho!

Oh. I did get one random issue after the shot through the head. but I thought it was the Shadow King ruining the Sh'iar. Because there was a psychic effect drawn like his.

It sounds better when you put it like that. Thanks!
Sounds like it is worth a read at least but I might have to read the whole run to get it.

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The only Brainy that was really written that way was the threeboot Brainy. I thought Brainy of the Johns-boot was spot-on. He wasn't particularly manipulative, the other Legionnaires were genuinely his friends, and he was happy to treat them as social equals, albeit not intellectual equals (which they weren't).

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Totally agreed. Little vignettes or flashbacks that are relevant to a particular story I could understand, but not trying to define everything the character ever did or everywhere he went. It ruins the mystery. I was fine with him just being the mysterious loner chosen for a secret government project precisely because he had no previous ties (familial or official) that they knew of.

I also agree that he doesn't need to be in every bloody book in the Marvel-verse, though I guess you could argue that he still gets less panel time than Batman.

There were some really nice early moments in the Morrison run. He went in with a real feeling of how the group related to each other, and their dialogue and tone changes accordingly.

Once Quietly wasn't on the art though, it suffered a bit. The it seemed to lose it's momentum.

Once Claremont really got his..um...claws into the character of Wolverine, he had his moments. Xavier teaching the clawed psycho about finding a better path, leading to his interest in martial self control in Japan. Very much of it's time, but it was a character arc of sorts.

Had he remained the way he way was, Angel would have been right to leave. These days he's something for everyone. A friend is particularly disgusted with a recent best pals house hunting issue with Jubilee.

I suggested that one of the other cast members was off panel with prompt cards for Wolvie's dialogue.

For me, he's mostly been pretty poor. But having him in charge of the kids seemed like madness to me.

Yeah, Wolverine acts different in every book he is in.

Claremont's Wolverine where he tried to be a better man and not an animal was the only time I really warmed to him.

That bone clawed Wolverine was pretty bottom of the barrel though.

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just the sort of person you'd want your kids taught by. Welcome to Xavier's (or is it Jean Grey's school of resurrection now?)

Bendis can be quite insidious. It wasn't presented in a graphic or agressive manner, which doesn't make it any less offenssive. Basically, Hawkeye took advantage of Wanda's dazed and confused state to seduce her and make love to her. Any way you slice it, it's unforgivably sleazy, especially for Hawkeye who, pre-Bendis, was -- for all his rough edges -- always highly moral.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2012/05/05/the-abandoned-an%E2%80%99-forsaked-so-hawkeye-had-sex-with-a-doombot/

That doesn't count. It was a retcon after the fact. When Bendis wrote the original story, it was supposed to be Wanda.

Does having a bow and arrow on a super team turn you into some kind of super creep?

That's Speedy & Hawkeye. Green Arrow has been shown in a number of less than flattering lights down the years too.

Hey, even Alias the Spider turned out to really have been a super villain all along as part of Robinson retconning.

Green Arrow was all right until a couple years after his resurrection, when Judd Winick became the writer on his solo book and proved beyond a doubt that he had nothing but contempt for Green Arrow. Then James Robinson compounded all the wrongness with Cry For Justice.

It's sad, really, because I used to love Green Arrow even more than I loved Hawkeye.

Hmmm. James Robinson trend in making bow and arrow heroes scum.

Perhaps Robinson had an accident at a carnival/archery class as a child. Perhaps he was shipwrecked as a young man but utterly failed to construct a bow and arrows from the jungle.
That bitterness has stayed with him through the years.

He'll be on Hawkeye before you know it, or at least the Squadron Supreme's Golden Archer

Golden Archer's long dead, and good riddance. He used the Squadron Supreme's behavior-modification machinery to force Lady Lark to love him.

See? another bow and arrow creep! what is going on?

Did you scroll down to the actual panels? It is much more unclear than you say.

I admit I didn't. I'm sick of this whole thing already and I wish I'd never brought it up.