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I think 7 is delayed by three weeks and 8 is delayed by about six.

It was supposed to end with the schism and fear itself event.

Lately I’ve been putting the DC #1’s at the top of my reading pile because I’m admittingly caught up in the spirit of the relaunch. One comic though that trumps the vast majority of the DCnU is Young Avengers because that comic has been damn good. I couldn’t wait to dive into #7 and after doing so, I put it down thinking “this might just be the perfect comic book.”

For those of us that are intimately familiar with the Marvel Universe, at least, it’s the perfect comic book. You’ve got the Scarlet Witch back to herself, addressing what happened before and actively trying to do the right thing. You’ve got Quicksilver and Wanda reunited and Pietro willing to screw over everyone for his sister (maybe I do like you after all). You’ve got Magneto and Wanda having a moment. Cyclops being a total dick. Captain America telling him to get lost. X-Factor siding with Wanda against the X-Men. Hawkeye, Beast, Wonder Man, and so many others just totally being themselves. And of course, Dr. Doom totally kicking things up a notch like we knew he was going to do (and I still loved it).

Oh yeah, this is also a Young Avengers comic. They aren’t getting that much screentime but for some reason I don’t mind. Wiccan is stealing the show, quickly becoming tied for my favorite member. Patriot is also getting a lot of screen time (and annoying the hell out of me!). I only wish the Vision would get a chance to step forward and shine since he’s so vital to the story—I mean, he obviously must be going back to the old Vision if they brought back Iron__, right?

Loved Wanda putting Emma Frost in her place. Love that Jim Cheung artwork just rocking my face off on every page. And just love this love letter to the Marvel Universe that appears to be setting several major wrongs right again.

I just read # 7 (finally) and I have to agree word for word with Cobie.

This is absolutely my favortie comic book, and my favorite creative team!

Any word on # 8? I delayed reading # 7 so long I was hoping # 8 might be coming out shortly...

Last update:
Avengers: Children’s Crusade #8 - 28th December 2011 ( originally due 5th Oct )
Avengers: Children’s Crusade #9 - 15th February 2012 (orig 18 Jan)

[And the HC's slipped from Feb 1st to Mar 14th accordingly]

What, you expected Heinberg & Cheung to keep to a bimonthly schedule?

#1 was released Jul 2010, so #9 should be out by now even on a bimonthly schedule - whereas, in reality, if #9 comes out this side of March, we'll be lucky!

Wow... I still say this comic is worth waiting for, but my goodness!!

I wonder what the odds are we will ever see more from them after this?

Eh, if they want to put out one issue every 4 months, I'll take it. It's the only comic I find at the store and get all excited to read.

Meh, I'm waiting for the trade. The softcover TPB.

In case anyone's wondering where Children's Crusade #9 was this week... Shock of shocks, it's been delayed again.

It's CURRENTLY due on the 7th of March. Whether it makes that or not... Who knows?

Isn't it being delayed because of the Avengers vs. X-Men event?

I'm not saying that Heinberg & Cheung are prolific in any way, but I thought I'd read that shoehorning it into the AvX story was part of the reason for the longer than usual delays.

When this is all over, I hope Marvel goes ahead and gives us a YOUNG AVENGERS title. If Heinberg and Cheung can create 4 or so issues a year, let them-- make those the highpoints, but let other creators give us some 'in-between' stories. I'd hope they wouldn't start one of the 'highpoint' sequences util the whole thing's written and a good chunk's drawn, though.

If editorial interference isn't a factor, than in the case of this last issue of CHILDREN'S CRUSADE, I think the delay will have some pay-off.

So, great end for Wanda. Lots of characters had fantastic moments throughout the series: Doom, Magneto, Quicksilver, Hawkeye, Wonder Man, Madrox, Rogue, etc.

But the YA themselves? I feel a little like they got the shaft.

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Cassie is dead? C'mon! And Scott Lang is back? Terrible trade! Why in the world would that be a good move? It hurts that she barely did ANYTHING all mini.

Speaking of not doing anything: Kate and Eli were barely present for the duration, only checking in to screw up and then be quitters

I've long expected the YA Vision to die and wasn't surprised by it, especially since the original Vision is back. But the whole sequence where Iron Lad just goes and kills him IN FRONT OF EVERYONE? And then takes off without anyone trying to stop him? That was a writing Epic Fail.

Billy & Hulkling got most of the camera time all mini and were done well. They're like the Brainy and Imra of the YA. Even Hulkling gets the short end of the stick though sometimes, stuck in 'shoulder for Billy to cry on / lean on'. </span></span>

I dont know. Good mini for the MU in general, and good for restoring Wanda. But the Young Avengers themselves? It didn't really work for me.

I agree about the team getting the shaft a bit in this mini, but at the same time there were so many things I loved.

Oh and the hypocrite of the year award goes to Capt America. "Once an Avenger always an Avenger"

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Cyclops continued to be unrecognizable, and Wolverine, who has been bragging about how much he wants to kill Billy and Wanda, seems to have gotten bored and wandered off...

Strange, and sort of anticlimactic. The entire story has turned into a bridging device for the A vs. X 'epic event,' and lost it's way, I think.
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I haven't read the issue yet but from everyone's review ... it sounds like a wacky 70s teen titans comic or adventure era legion!!!!

I finally read 8-9!

The X-MEN come off as mostly dislikeable and unrecognizable.

I did like how Wiccan gave a rundown on everyone else's shady pasts...

All in all, I'm a little disappointed. This didn't serve the YOUNG AVENGERS very well at all for the most part.

Felt too much like a setup for Avengers vs. X-Men in the end.

And the Cassie/Vision deaths were terrible.

I do like that the Scarlet Witch is mostly restored to her proper place.

I think will be it for the YOUNG AVENGERS team... it felt final. Maybe that is a good thing.

In prep for starting the new Young Avengers series (I'm behind ), I've reread the original series run of twelve issues plus the special that was released during that run. I remember really enjoying that series the first time and wasn't disappointed the second time around. In fact the last 2 or 3 issues were new to me as I got a huge batch of comics from my then-internet provider (it went bust) several months late and never got around to reading most of the books that came.

It was such a great series! Heinberg wasn't afraid of telling epic tales, either. I mean the two major arcs involved Kang and a Kree/Skrull conflict! The Cheung art was beautiful, and the characters were just terrific! Plus, not having read those issues, I never had seen what Hulkings true Avengers connection was before. Pretty awesome! I love all of their kind of 'left field' connections to Avengers history.

So while reading these, I decided to find a Children's Crusade TP on eBay (which arrived today) and will read that as well before starting the new series. Sounds like you guys weren't crazy about it. Iknow about the deaths, of course, so I can see why. I'll see for myself. In any case I had to read the last Heinberg/Cheung YA before proceeding.

So...a question: are any of those various minis featuring YA between the original volume and Children's Crusade worth checking out? I know there were several, including 2 Runaways crossovers. I tend to think probably not since no big writers wrote them and none were by Heinberg. But if I'm wrong, let me know!

On to Children's Crusade.....

The current Young Avengers series... currently on three or four is really good as well. I reviewed it elsewhere here.

I thought it had big shoes to fill but it's pretty good. I'm enjoying it and it is a bit different than the earlier YA.

In the last issue *shit got real*.

The Runaways cross over was not bad, I actually liked it. and it went pretty quickly ... it was a prequel to the Skrull invasion event. IIRC.

I would check them all out. ha!

We need a code for "shit it real". SIR!

I never checked any of the periphery minis out, or I did, I can't really remember them.

This and Aaron and Bianchi's THANOS RISING mini are the only Marvel monthlies I'm committed to. YA is a lot of fun!

I really like the "evil parents" being such a fun and obvious metaphor for being 18 years old.

I'm also enjoying Teddy being awesome and not just "Billy's boyfriend" as he was starting to become.

Lastly, the art is killer! I love this crisp, clean style.

The latest issue was a riot. The addition of Marvel Boy as the kicknass babe of the team is fun!

With what I know about teen Loki now ... I think he is a bit dark of a villain for the YA crew. The YAers seem really out matched in this story arc with all the crazy super powered parents.

I thought I would be annoyed with Miss America but she dosn't bug.

Prodigy and Speed were written so well in the latest issue.

I really want to like Young Avengers, since I like the characters, but the first threat is Billy casts a spell and things go hilariously wrong, which is a bit old, and particularly egregious since it mentions reality-warping every issue (despite Billy and Wanda not officially being reality warpers anymore, according to Children's Crusade).

I really want the Billy and Teddy thing to work out, but Billy's problem isn't just that he's got a ridiculous power (that he's not supposed to have, grr...), but also that he has terrible very bad no-good judgment about using it, and keeps either making things worse, or deciding to make big (ill-informed and potentially disastrous) decisions for others without their consent (or advice). He is, at this point, consistently acting more like a super-villain. "Oh, something vexes thee? Let me use a power that I don't understand to alter reality and, oopsie! Make things worse! Again! Why do I always do that?"

It's only writer fiat that makes the Young Avengers at this point not mass murderers of all the parents they blew up, since some of them had no idea that they were going to reform when they showed up and started off with lethal force. (Noh-Var, for instance, in his awesomely drawn big entrance, would have perhaps killed a dozen or so, utterly unaware that he wasn't just murdering normal humans...)

That's some poor writing, IMO.

As for the new kids;

Kid Loki being an Avenger is kind of fun, him being the unintentional founder of the team and all, and it having been greeting with disbelief and outrage when Hank Pym offered him a change to be an Avenger a few years back (Cassie Lang being one of the people who was shocked enough at Pym offering Loki membership to walk out and quit the team entirely!).

Noh-Var has always been a favorite, ever since his own surreal mini-series. Good to see him back to sorta-normal, after all the strange places he went under the direction of other writers. He feels a lot more like the original Kree kid who fell to earth, from Morrison's Marvel Boy mini.

Not sure what to think of 'Miss America Chavez' or whatever. She seems to have generic Superman-clone powers, and, despite her attitude, a stronger moral compass than most. I like that the 'heavy-hitter' of the team is a girl. I'm not sure if she's an original character, or someone introduced in the Initiative or something (like Thor Girl and Ultra Girl).

I agree with you on some of these points ...

I wish Billy was lower powered or his powers worked differently than Wanda's ... but I am not sure how her powers work anymore anyway ... magic ... chaos ... or probability ... whatev .. i do with they would pick one

also it makes the story very insular and if these characters didn't exist ... there wouldn't be any problems for them to have because their problems are all self made. they're not helping anyone or have any purpose to them.


I wanted Kid Loki as a YA but apparently his is evil Loki, since Loki killed him, and then it seems like Kid Loki and Loki share the body now ...

anyway ... Kid Loki dosn't work so well with Wiccan ... America Chavez being an alien is odd ... because of her name ...

I prefer Kid Loki on his own as well.

The mass murdering thing, I don't care so much about, Marvel Boy is pretty ruthless ... and Kate has killed or maimed before.

I thought the smashing people ridiculously into blobs in all the same manner was not as creative as it could have been.

Anyhoo ... I hadn't thought about it but ... I read the YA for the dialogue and the character's "voices". They sound just right!


The art is fairly good. I am in for this story arc. Hopefully it dosn't involve a lot of play dough ... and it is also nice to have a comic not involved in the latest mega marvel event.