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Picture this.

It is the distant future.

Garth, Imra, Ayla, Violet, Rokk, Lydda, and Mekt are retired and living on Winath. Garridan and Graym are in their early teens. Other scions of the Legion are pre-teens, or “tweens”.

The U.P. is at peace. Criminals are either reformed through advanced psionic techniques, or permanently exiled to “The Klein Bottle”, an artificial, theoretically inescapable dimension.

The Science Police spend their time on the equivalent of (a) rescuing cats from trees, (b) handing out parking tickets.

The old Legion Headquarters—all of them—are set up as museums in downtown Metropolis.

Are the Legion even necessary?

Continuity is deliberately ambiguous. Is this the Classic Legion, or something post-5YL, Batch SW6, the ReBoot, the ThreeBoot, the RetroBoot, the 52Boot? It is unclear. Aspects of each of these may crop up.

But the Children of the Legion are training, using their parents’ old techniques, in case they may be needed someday. This is all done individually and secretly over the Interstellarnet, as these kids are widely separated, on different planets throughout the U.P. Other characters are introduced, not Legion descendants, but interesting and powerful.

Then, when half a dozen sociopaths somehow escape from The Klein Bottle, and go on a murderous rampage, the SP is inept and helpless. Graym and Garridan steal their parents’ old Legion Cruiser, pick up a dozen teen “heroes”, and go to confront them.

The young demi-Legionnaires end up completely over their heads. Their parents have to show up to save their sorry selves.

End of Issue One: A Legion Academy is established on Earth, not only to train super-powered kids, but the entire Science Police contingent.

Future issues move between stories of the "old" and "new" Legionnaires. The cast is completely unwieldy- possibly over a hundred "main" characters.

Issue Two: Garridan has Validus-like powers, and a girlfriend named Ivy. Graym has… chores on Lightning Ring Farms. Graym takes off for Korbal in an attempt to gain powers like his father, aunt and uncle. With dire consequences…

That's the most preposterous thing I've ever heard.

I'm pretty sure I do, in fact, want you to write the Legion.

A few possible members of the “new” Legion

1. Validus
Garridan Ranzz
Son of Garth Ranzz (Lightning Lad) and Imra Ardeen (Saturn Girl)
Human in appearance. Great strength, toughness. When he uses his devastating mental lightning bolts, he triggers a metabolic reaction in his body making him grow somewhat larget, somewhat stronger, somewhat tougher, and loses a fraction of an IQ point, and one step closer to becoming a mindless monstrosity.

2. Veritas
Graym Ranzz (?)
Son of Garth Ranzz (Lightning Lad) and Imra Ardeen (Saturn Girl)
When Graym contracted Sigelian Brain Fever, Brainiac 5 replaced his brain with an electronic simalcrum, and placed the organic brain in suspended animation, awaiting a cure. Possessing a 10th-level intelligence and computer-like computational skills, Graym served for two years as an active Legionnaire, until a cure was found and his original organic brain was restored to his body. The electronic brain, still impressed with Graym's personality and memories, was transferred to a blue-skinned, "probe" clone body. This is the entity still known as Veritas, who is completely at ease with the existential questions raised by the existence of another "Graym" mind. The original Graym is an ordinary Amartan, now the Chief Operating Officer of Lightning Ring Farms. He doesn't like to think about existentialism. It makes his head hurt.

3. Star Sapphire
Lauren Gand
Daughter of Rond Vidar and Laurel Gand
A half-Daxamite with Star Sapphire powers, her uniform is more violet than magenta.

4. Gemini
Dacey and Dorrit Ranzz
Daughters of Garth Ranzz (Lightning Lad) and Imra Ardeen (Saturn Girl)
Individually fairly weak telepaths, their combined abilities increase exponentially to exceed even their mother's, making them the greatest telepaths of their generation. Their powers include psychic link, mind-reading, thought-casting, telekinesis, psychic blast.

5. Magnet Boy
Pol Krinn II
Son of Rokk Krinn (Cosmic Boy) and Lydda Jath (Night Girl)
His magnetic powers are less than his father's at their peak, but still impressive. He also (incidentally) shares with the mother the native Kathoonian ability of seeing in pitch darkness. He wisely eschews his grandfather's super-serum, and its unpredictable effects.

6. Ivy
of Rimbor
Ultra Boy's ward of mysterious origins, she has the ability to telepathically communicate with plants.

7. Chip
Parthenogenic offspring of Blok, "hatching" from his corpse on Shanghalla. A rock-like humanoid in appearance, Chip stand just one meter tall (but is still growing), and exhibits prodigious strength, invulnerability, rock telepathy (and resistance to organic telepathy) and the ability to increase his inertial mass at will. He can also absorb and metabolize most forms of energy directly, ultimately adding to his size and mass. He also retains certain hazy remnants of Blok's memories, and has a similar personality.

8. the Wolf Princess
Princess Lycan of Orando
Daughter of Queen Projectra of Orando and Brin Londo (Timber Wolf)
When Val Armorr left his stake in the Voxv holdings to Brin Londo, it created possilbe legal ramifications for Orando, as there was a legal stakeholder of the extra-dimensional planet still within the U.P. It became necessary to create an heir who would have complete control over the royal holdings. Raised on Orando during Brin's "Furball" phase, well-trained, dedicated to the Monarchy, and accepting of her future duties and responsibilities, she sees the Legion as one more step in her schooling. She is a magical at-will werewolf herself (strength, invulnerability, weakness to silver). She also has the ability to summon (materialize) and command her "pets" - the Wolfguard of Orando, her own specially trained wolves, each standing a meter-and-a-half at the shoulder. She has been known to ride one into battle.

9. Atom Girl
Violet Ranzz
Daughter in vitro of Salu Digby (Shrinking Violet) and Ayla Ranzz (Lightning Lass)
Like the 21st-century Atom, she has the ability to decrease her size and mass independantly, and is an olympic-class gymnast.

10. Power Boy
Umbrial An'Nan
Son of Kent Shakespeare and Brita An'Nan
Has the ability to absorb hyper-bio-energy and transmit it to another individual. Effectively, he can cause naturally super-powered individuals to exchange powers. As he is the "link" through which these powers flow, he must be in the near vicinity for the "exchange" to function.

11. Mind Boy
Tenzil Kem, Junior
When Saturn Queen (Eve Aries) traveled back in time with Lightning Lord and Cosmic King for the express purpose of humiliating Superman, he defeated the "Legion of Super-Villains" by exposing Eve to radioactive material from Saturn's rings, which suppresses psychosis in Titanians.
When she returned to the 30th century, she discovered that she was pregnant with Lex Luthors child. Originally called Lex Aries, he was adopted by Tenzil (Matter-Eater Lad) Kem after their marriage, and re-christened Tenzil Kem, Junior.
Mind Boy exhibits mutant super-intelligence, limited telepathic ability, and impressive telekinetic powers.

12. Lgxqzryp (Lig-ex-quizzer-yip)
Son of a Zrfffn (Zir-fif-if-an) imp [Ms. Qznkpykl] and a male Terran [the Indigo Warlock]
Being only half-Zrfffn, Lgxqzryp has very limited magical abilities. When he says his name backwards, he can transform any object into any other object. His transmutations are only temporary, and depend on the size of the object(s). For example, when the changed the 1,000-story Empire Asteroid Building into a stack of newspapers, the transformation lasted less than one hour. When he changed every building and living being in New New Chicago into transparent Plasteel (except Rogarth), he was only able to maintain the transformation as long as he concentrated. In no case do his transformations last more than ninety days.

13. Improbability Lass (Honorary Member / Legion Reserve)
Norja Kem
Daughter of Tenzil Kem (Matter-Eater Lad) and Eve Aries (Saturn Queen)
Apparently due to the influence of the (still) residual Miracle Machine radiation, combined with Titanian psychic abilities, Norja has the ability to alter reality in her immediate vicinity. However, the limitation of that power is that she apparently cannot create any effect unless it is (a) humourous, and (b) effectively useless in the long run.

14. the Cheshire Cat
May Norg
Daughter of the Batch SW6 Lyle Norg (Invisible Kid) and April Dumakas (Catspaw) she has a cat-like appearance, enhanced agility, strength and toughness, invisibility, and teleportation through what she thinks of as the "Wonderland Dimension", that bizarre realm discovered by Jacques Foccart where stray thoughts become reality- or at least, convincing illusion. At least a decade younger than the rest of this Legion, she is the newest and youngest member of the Legion. She does not get along at all well with the Wolf Princess.

15. Young Frankenstein
Real Name: Krandall Arrah
(Confession: I stole this idea from Sarcasm Kid)
In the Kwaiverse, Monstress discovered that her powers included regeneration after death. Then she met the Batch SW6 Jan Arrah, his consciousness, memory, and personality now in LiveWire’s body, and no longer the Progenitor. They fell in love, and set up housekeeping. Their son Krandall was the result. (And the “rest” of the Progenitor is still out there, somewhere…)

16. FalconFire
Real Name: Mari Krinn
Parents: Batch SW6 Rokk Krinn (Cosmic Boy) and Batch SW6 Imra Ardeen (Saturn Girl)
Telepathy and telekinesis. Originally calling herself Tele-Girl, Mari was on a solo exploration mission when her ship collided with an infant Sun-Eater.
Both severely injured, they merged their physical beings and consciousnesses.
Mari now is able to call upon the vast power of the Sun-Eater that resides within her to augment her psionic abilities and produce various solar energy effects.

17. the Iron Giant
Real Name: Arthur Nolan
Parents: Batch SW6 Andrew Nolan (Ferro) and Batch SW6 Salu Digby (LeViathan)
Has the ability to transform himself into a normal-sized, flesh-and-blood human.

18. Shadow Wolf
Real Name: Marr Mallor
Parents: Batch SW6 Brin Londo (Wolfpack) and Batch SW6 Tasmia Mallor (Shadow Lass)
Another Shadow Champion.

19. Nexus
Real Name: Isidore Nal
Parents: Gear (I.Z.O.R) and Nura Schappin Nal (Batch SW6 Dreamer)
Has the ability to manifest, at will, electric sheep.

20. Pandora
Real Name: Alz Dox
Parents: Batch SW6 Querl Dox (Batch SW6 Brainiac 5.1) and Jasmine Cullen (Kid Quantum 2)
Alz has inherited her mothers' power to alter quantum constants, but only a tenth-level intelligence. This is more than enough to make her quite a force to be reckoned with.
She is cheerful and well-liked among her teammates. The name "Pandora" means "all gifts".

21. Star Girl
Real Name: Hari Kallor
Parents: Batch SW6 Thom Kallor (Star Boy) and Batch SW6 Ayla Ranzz (Spark)
Full Daxamite power set. Ice vision. Flame breath. Lightning vision. Gravitational manipulation.

22. ThunderBolt
Real Name: Ramael Gand
Parents: Batch SW6 Lar Gand (M'Onel) and CeCe Beck (Thunder)
When CeCe Beck said her magic word in the 91st century, she finds herself transported to the past, among her friends in the Earth-247 Legion in the New Earth universe. With no way back to the future (and stuck in her Thunder form) she develops a romance with M'Onel, and the two are married within a couple of years.
Ramael Gand is their daughter. Daxamite-class strength, speed, flight, and invulnerability. Powered up even under a red sun, and the crushing gravity of planets like Daxam and Kormo.
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/World%27s_Finest_Vol_1_92
Invulnerable to both lead and magic.

Note: FireFalcon, Star Girl, and Thunderbolt are the "heavy hitters" of the team.

23. Ultra Lad
Real Name: Cub Nah
Parents: Batch SW6 Jo Nah (Ultra Boy) and Batch SW6 Phantom Girl (Apparition / Phase)
From his mother, he has inherited full Bgztlr and Cargggan abilities. From his father, invulnerability, penetra-vision and levitation. In addition, he possesses a unique power all his own: he has the ability to alter his apparent physiological age, from infant to old man, or anywhere in between.

24. Phase Nine
Real Name: Aaron Ranzz
Parents: Batch SW6 Garth Ranzz (Lightning Lad) and Batch SW6 Lluornu Durgo (Triad)
Note: although Garth has regained his natural appearance and powers, he is still genetically Tromman.
Aaron has the ability to manifest as eight separate elemental phases: stone, plant, fire, air and wind, water and ice, a "beast" elemental, a "lightning energy" elemental (similar to Jonni Thunder ), and a "dark energy" elemental (similar to Negative Man )
Aaron can either change his own form into one of these elemental manifestations, or manifest any or all of them separately from himself.

25. Jabberwocky
Real Name: Princess Daina Wynzorr
Parents: Batch SW6 Reep Daggle (Chameleon) and Batch SW6 Jeka Wynzorr (Sensor)
(Who are, in fact, also the ReBoot Chameleon and Sensor Snake. Never mind. It's a long story.)
The nuclear blast only projected them a few years into the future.
Daina has the ability to alter or disguise any object or individual, without changing its mass. Her powers appear superficially similar to Chameleon Chief, but are magical in origin.
While Daina's own natural form is a horrific blending of Durlan and Hypertaxized Orandan physiology, she was able to permanently restore her mother to normal Orandan serpent-form, to her great relief.
Technically a princess, her "kingdom" no longer exists.

26. Ryu
Real Name: Ryu Armorr
Parents: Batch SW6 Val Armorr (Karate Kid) and Jenni Ognats (XS)
He has no connection to the Speed Force. He apparently has no super-abilities at all. Overweight, lazy, and edacious, he is a great disappointment to his father. He shows no interest in the martial arts, neither the physical nor the spiritual side. The New New Wanderers do keep him around as a kind of mascot, however, due to his natural cheerful temperament and careless hedonism.

27. Imago
Real Name: Ti'Julk Sh'Aszi
Parents: Ti'Julk Mr'Asz (Gates)and Shikari Lonestar
Mostly humanoid in appearance, grey-skinned and green-haired, with a spiky tail/abdomen, her odd Kwai-Vrygan physiology allows her to reach into the virtual world of quantum probability, and create Imago-Replicants of both inanimate objects and living individuals.
These Imago-Replicants are more powerful, intelligent, and generally morally superior than the originals. In fact, in comparison with the Imago-Replicant the original looks like a Bizarro-Duplicate.
Limitations: (1) The existence of the Imago-Replicants is temporary, only a few hous. (2) Only one Imago-Replicant can be created at one time. (3) She has no control over the behavior or decisions of her living creations.

Definition: IMAGO: (1) the final stage of metamorphosis of an insect (2) in psychology, an idealized image of someone (usually a parent) formed in childhood.

28. She Came From Planet Claire
I know she came from there. She drove a Plymouth Satellite faster than the speed of light. Planet Claire has pink hair, and all the trees are red. No one ever dies there; no one has a head. Some say she's from Mars, or one of the seven stars that shine after 3:30 in the morning. Well she isn't.

I was thinking something similar but, personally, I would put it at the grandchildren stage. because I would prefer a schism between old and new, and many Legionnaires might be very long lived.

so, like you say, crime has become a myth but ... there are signs something is creeping back in ...

I would think if it is the children, many of them might have suffered from their parents Legion days or may even be dead. Cousins or nieces and nephews or grandchildren might have a more idealized vision of their grand parents time.



I love this:

" The U.P. is at peace. Criminals are either reformed through advanced psionic techniques, or permanently exiled to “The Klein Bottle”, an artificial, theoretically inescapable dimension.

The Science Police spend their time on the equivalent of (a) rescuing cats from trees, (b) handing out parking tickets.

The old Legion Headquarters—all of them—are set up as museums in downtown Metropolis.

Are the Legion even necessary? "

I think it is at the heart of the Legion!

From the Silver Age to Giffen's era ... there was so little crime, and military forces, that heroes HAD to participate in war and rescue operations.


I will have to read your character ideas later! looks very exciting!

When I've thought about something like this, I think the ultimate opening would be to start out with a one-page retelling of the Legion's origin, beginning with the line "Perhaps you've heard this story before..." and then the next page would evoke the opening of v4 but with the words "Twenty-Five years later..." (or you could do "Fifty years later..." if you were doing the grandkids). Graym makes such a natural point-of-view character...

Why it would never work:

Comic books are about everything staying the same. Superman pursues Lois Lane—or vice versa. Once they get married, everything goes downhill. The villains never stay captured or dead for long. No one gets old.

This is why kids are such a problem. This is why Leanne Harper had to die, Arthur Curry had to die, and Franklin Richards pops in and out of continuity like a ghost. Graym and Garridan are toddlers again—and have been for three years now—when in 5YL they were fifth-graders. Cub Nah was probably partially responsible for the end of the ReBoot Legion: they were getting too old, and starting to settle down.

The Children of the Legion or the Grandchildren of the Legion or the Legion of Super-Heroes in the 33rd century or whatever would be a completely different book: Legion is supposed to be about teen-agers, young adults at the outside.

It has been done before, and it has failed before. The Adult Legion stories in the 60’s went nowhere. 5YL was IMHO great for the first 4 years or so, but then tanked. And there are plenty of readers who just gave it up when 5YL hit, and plenty more who hate that series worse than they hate the final issue of the ThreeBoot. (OK, maybe I exaggerate)

The only way forward is with a new continuity reset: Legion 6.0, or whatever release we are up to by now. And that will alienate the long-time Legion fans again, but who cares, because they’ll all be dead or senile in a couple of decades anyway. Probably TPTB will cancel Legion-As-We-Know-It for a while first. And Legion 6.0 will reflect whatever zeitgeist is most likely to attract new, younger readers—manga, or ultra-violence, or whatever is in vogue at the time.

Still, in the unlikely event that DC wants to hire me to write Descendants-of-the-Legion fanfic for a hundred issues or so, they know where to contact me.

Klar.Ken.T5477@Daily.Interplanetary.News.com

I believe that the characters above (and below) I have introduced elsewhere on these boards at one time or another…

Grandchildren of the Legion

01. Weirdo [aka The Weirdo Legionnaire]
Real Name: Lloyd Retsun
Grandparents: Splitter (Arm-Fall-Off Boy), Konk, Double-Header’s brother, unnamed Carggan
Powers: Two heads. Can split into three individuals. Can detach arms, legs, and head from torso. Can recombine six heads, six arms, six legs and three torsos in any combination. Once considered calling himself “Cootie”.

02. Insect Queen (III)
Real Name: T’Julk Kallor
Grandparents: Star Boy (Thom Kallor), Insect Queen (Lonna Leong), Gates, Shikari
Does not transform completely into an insect, but temporarily grows insectoid parts: eyes, antennae, talons, jaws, stingers, wings, etc.

03. Butterfly Girl
Real Name: Cho Kallor
Grandparents: Star Boy (Thom Kallor), Insect Queen (Lonna Leong), Gates, Shikari
(Insect Queen’s sister) Has the ability to split her body into a flurry of hundreds of thousands of mind-linked butterflies; or, alternately, to generate a single butterfly from her skin.

04. Lavendar
Real Name: Lavendar Ranzz
Grandparents: Lightning Lad, Saturn Girl, Laurel Gand, Rond Vidar (Green Lantern)
She is a Star Sapphire, just like her mother. ¼ Saturnian telepathy and ¼ Daxamite powers as well.

05. Blackout
Real Name: Lyra Krinn
Parents: Pol Krinn II (son of Cosmic Boy and Night Girl) and a Kathooni scientist named Robi.
Her mother combined the Jathamin and Norgine elixirs to create a serum which gives Lyra super-strength at night, in deep shdow, or while invisible.

06. Timeline
Real Name: Helix Ranzz
Parents: Graym Ranzz and Ivy
Has the specific telepathic ability to “read” anyone’s personal history—even if they, themselves, cannot remember it.

07. Dream-Eater Lad
Real Name: undecided
Heritage: Unknown
Possibly the grandson of Dream Boy and Calorie Queen. Possible Zwenite ancestry.
While asleep, projects an astral form able to annihilate memories, dreams, desires, despairs and deliriums of others.
Close associate of:

08. Dream Girl (2)
Real Name: Morpheus
In the late 31st century, Dream (Morpheus) and Death (Moria) temporarily* exchanged appearances (that is, bodies) as a part of a lost wager with the rest of the Endless. Morpheus now resembles a pale young “goth” girl, although without the characteristic ankh and eye of hours.
In the waking world, he she retains all the power she commanded in the dream realm. As a godlike anthropomorphic personification, she is kind of slumming it in the Legion, while the Dream Realm is literally going to Hell.

*temporarily, in this case, could mean years or centuries

The Six Escaped Villains from The Klein Bottle:

1. Sun Emperor
2. Chameleon Chief
3. Shagrek
4. Zymyr
5. Wolfwing – a raven-winged Starhavenite. With FTL flight, his specialty is ambush and escape.
6. Apollyon – blonde-haired, blue-eyed, achingly handsome, unimaginably cruel, and purely evil New God from some new 31st-century Apokolips.

Honorable Mention:
Reanimage: When the clone of Immorto had his head blown off, it grew back, but the brain grew back wrong.
A sadistic psychopath, at his most harmless he walks into the private estate of some millionaire, kills everyone there, and walks out with as much swag as he can carry… resurrecting everyone as he leaves. At his worst, he kidnaps some random individual, then tortures them to death. Then resurrects them and tortures them to death again. And again. And again.

You should change the title to Why THEY Don't Want Me to Write the Legion, because this all sounds quite compelling! You've got some very interesting character powers - a thousand butterflies? Planet Claire? and I have no doubt Ryu could be a sleeper hero. We need an overweight character, anyways.

At first I was thinking you could still have the parents around, but older and gone off to different lives, but a clean break would probably be best, jettison the old baggage. The character Dream Girl II/Morpheus made me think that some current Legionnaires would still be around for generations (in Earth time): Wildfire, Brainiac 5. We don't know the lifespans of the others.

Of the assorted Legion grandchildren, I think I like the Wolf Princess (and the Cheshire Cat, and their prickly relationship...) most of all.

When I whipped up my Legion Legacies group, I used the old trope used to write out the JSA, having them disappear dealing with some threat, in this case, having the Legion HQ ripped right off the planet by a giant Boom Tube, and Apokalips itself disappear soon after, lending to the belief that the Legion sacrificed themselves to end the threat of Darkseid forever, and clearing the way for their descendents to form a team without begging the question of why the various immortal Legionnaires aren't still around.

Wildfire, Brainiac 5, Mon-El, Chameleon Boy, Blok, etc. have all at various times been depicted as potentially living for millennia, depending on the writer, and there's certainly potential for other characters to live far longer than a human, such as Phantom Girl (does time flow the same in Bgtzl?) or Shadow Lass (shadow-manipulators in DC tend to be immortal) or the White Witch (Mordru appears to be immortal, and she's surpassed him, in some ways).

A clean break would necessitate coming up with some sort of Crisis that the current team either dies facing, or, better, IMO, disappears while facing, leaving behind their children, those inspired by them, and various secondary Legion-adjacent characters (like Xera of Manna-5 or a Wanderer or Hero of Lallor or some Academy students) to fill and form the second-generation Legion.

Using the comic book trope of powered people sometimes producing children with similar powers, there's a *ton* of potential in designing interesting powers based on a combination of various Legion parents. A Brin + Imra child could generate animalistic forms of psychic energy, like some sort of 'telepathic wolf pack' that surges forth from their body to sweep through enemies, inflicting mental trauma upon them. The same sort of thing could be rationalized differently with a Brin + Tinya or Brin + Jeckie pairing (based on their relationships in the Reboot and Threeboot, respectively). A half-Coluan / half-Naltorian analytical precognitive genius, based on the Threebooot Brainy + Dreamy relationship could similarly be all Deathstroke / Midnighter-like, dancing around enemies as she's already anticipated and countered their moves in her head, before they've even chosen them.

And that's without even touching upon the sorts of personalities these characters might have. Would Gim & Yera's kid be a bit of a follower / 'good soldier' like his father, or more independent-minded and spirited like his mother? Would Jo & Tinya's kid be headstrong and a bit of a showoff like her father, or calm and centered, like her mother? Or would these various children be nothing at all like their parents, proving that the old adage of the 'preacher's daughter' can hold true even a millennium from now, and that some kids will act out to any lengths to be nothing like their parents?

A Legion descendent falling into villainy could be a powerful story, whether it be deliberate 'acting out' to be unlike their parents, caving under the pressure of trying to live up to their parents heroic legacies and / or expectations, or shadowy seduction by a Legion foe (such as the Dark Man), who wants to turn one of their children to crime and evil by way of revenge...

SET, Cramer, Power Boy, Eryk:

While I am gratified by your kind words, let's be realistic: comic book readers are a tiny minority, Legion readers are a minority of a minority, and those who would like to see the Legion grow up and a more youthful group take over are an even smaller minority.

Look at X-Men. The X-Men have grown up, married, had kids. We have seen the future. (It has come back in time to attack them) Marvel tried to create X-factor and X-whatever. (also, Young Avengers)

None of it was successful. The comics are now re-introducing the same characters, younger again. Even the films go "back in time" in order to introduce the less mature versions of the original characters.

Look at the Spiderman movies. The origin story, a trilogy, and then... another origin story, another trilogy.

Look at Disney Star Wars. They are trying to recruit Mark Hamil, Carrie Fisher, and Harrison Ford for the sequel--after forty years!

New comics fail. Old, established franchises, following old, established formulas succeed for decades.[img

History Lesson: In 1958, CBS made a pilot of "Dennis the Menace" with 7-year-old Jay North playing 5-year-old Dennis. Five years later, 12-year-old Jay North was still playing 5-year-old Dennis. Take a look at those 1962-63 episodes-- they are truly bizarre, yet there was still a contingent of the American public who watched (and presumably enjoyed) them regularly.

If Garrian and Graym aged like normal people, they would be 28 years old now.

I prefer Marvel's take on aging and time ... they just ignore it ... if it displeases them haha.

I think the Infinity Inc characters were especially awkward since they should be a generation above the JL Satellite era ... but they are portrayed as younger.

part of it is, that something people are familiar with ... sells better. its dependable. and dependable is more attractive to people putting up the money than a risk ... even if a risk may make tons of more money.

Graym could be the aging story teller, the last link to the original LSH.

I love these ideas so much, i think we should just do it.





"When I whipped up my Legion Legacies group, I used the old trope used to write out the JSA, having them disappear dealing with some threat, in this case, having the Legion HQ ripped right off the planet by a giant Boom Tube, and Apokalips itself disappear soon after, lending to the belief that the Legion sacrificed themselves to end the threat of Darkseid forever, and clearing the way for their descendents to form a team without begging the question of why the various immortal Legionnaires aren't still around. " - Set

I LOVE THIS IDEA!!!!! le sigh.

There really isn't any need to "disappear" the old heroes; in order to tell my own children's stories-- well, they are in Florida, Minnesota, and Peru. I am pretty much out of their lives, except for Skype.

Maybe the "old" Legion is just getting on with their lives, too old for all this super-heroing.

Two Hundred Fifty Years Later: the mid-33nd century (approximately 3265 AD)
The following five “original” Legionnaires have survived.

(1) Paradox: Formerly known as Brainiac 5 and Brainiac 5.1, and also known as "the Doctors Dox", Querl Dox and his anomalous temporal duplicate, the Batch SW6 Querl Dox, are about 265 and 285 years old, respectively. They appear to be in late middle age, judging by Terran standards. The younger Dox married Jasmine (Kid Quantum 2) Cullen, and has a number of living grandchildren and great-grandchildren, who visit frequently. The elder Dox never married.

(2) The WildFire Collective: Over 2,300 years old due to a couple of time-travel incidents, (when he had to return to the future the “long way” a couple of times) Wildfire is now a composite entity of the cousins Drake, Squire and Randall Burroughs, the Soul of Dawnstar, Jar Ningle, and Quislet of Teall. Composed of an unstable compound of energy and anti-energy, WildFire currently resides on Colu with Paradox.

(3) Blok: Although technically killed by Roxxas, the parthenogenetic offspring of the deceased Blok, (who was called “Chip” for a while) has regained all of his parent's memories, and at 230 years old, is currently engaged in rebuilding the environment of Korlon with the New Dryad Race.
Due to his long association with the Black Witch, he is also a living Philosopher’s Stone.
In addition, as Executor of the Korlon Planetary Renovation Trust, he controls quadrillions of credits worth of non-profit investment.

(4) Mordru: As she approached old age, Mysa Nal’s control over the dark magicks and powerful sorcerous personalities she had absorbed began to wane. In a climactic duel, Mordru re-manifested, and slew the Black Witch, who now strongly resembled her former incarnation as “The Hag”.
Mysa, however, invoked one last, desperate spell, binding the dual souls of Mordru, human and demonic, to her frail, failing body. Her mind, memories, soul, and personality were exchanged for Mordru’s.
The nine-foot-tall, near-immortal body of the half-demon sorcerer Mordru is now possessed by the soul of Zola Aq (Mysa Nal) of Naltor, and controls as well the violet magic of Amethyst of Gemworld. He/she is possibly thousands of years old, depending on which body and spirit you are counting. He/she carries heavy responsibilities as Prime Minister of the Sorcerer’s World, and maintains a long-distance but very amicable relationship with Blok.

(5) Mr. Cobb: Robert Cobb is the current identity used by Lar Gand of Daxam, aka Mon-El (to the people of Earth), aka Valor (to the rest of the Galaxy), when he is not inhabiting the Phantom Zone. He is well over 1,300 years old, but has a biological appearance of 95 or so. After the death of Tasmia Mallor, and having died twice himself, Lar realized something about death: he doesn’t like it. While perhaps not able to overcome death completely, he intends to forestall it as long as possible.
He tries to keep his time out of the Zone down to 24 hours per year. During this time, he ages, but estimates this will give him about 10,000 years to figure out a permanent ‘cure’ for death, or tire of existence.
Highly skilled in the use of Daxamite powers, and possessed of an indomitable will, he is also an accomplished martial artist: there is no Daxamite-level individual- or even half-dozen individuals- who could stand against him in a fight, with the possible exception of Ion (Sodam Yat).
Lar Gand's anomalous temporal duplicate (Batch SW6), who became known as M'Onel, passed away over a century-and-a-half ago, after many happy years married to Cece (Thunder) Beck. Their daughter, the incredible Thunderbolt, has been gone now for some almost a century.
Mr. Cobb is also the founder, CEO, President of the Board of Directors, and major shareholder of Cobb’s Brushes and Reparo. Originally organized as a janitorial company, junk dealer and fix-it shop, the corporation has developed a Galaxy-wide reputation as a specialist in the cleanup of Physical, Political, and Public Relations Disasters.
The elder Lar and Tasmia were never able to have children, but "Mr. Cobb" maintains a close relationship with the royal family of Talok VIII, his 'step-children'.

"Rule One: Do not act incautiously when confronting little bald wrinkly smiling man" -- Terry Pratchett, Thief of Time

I picture Lar as looking something like Fred Astaire in his later years.

I like the notion that Blok isn't just a random member of a dead race of Dryads, but is actually the 'heart of Dryad,' a 'world-seed' whose ability to increase his own density is a reflection of his true destiny, to increase his density and mass to the point where he begins attracting stellar matter to himself, and becomes the heart of a new planet, Dryad Reborn, serving as the 'Green' of his world, once it reforms with his indestructible humanoid body at its molten heart.

That might take ten thousand years or so, with him progressively growing larger and larger as time goes by, until he's a sixty foot titan, or even a six-hundred foot tall monolithic figure, eventually appearing more like a Promethean Giant than a standard humanoid, but, by geological standards, even if it takes many millenia, his destiny is approaching at light speed!

Improbability Lass rocks!

An average human child typically doubles her/his mass between ages four and twelve, then again between ages twelve and twenty. At this very modest exponential rate of growth, Blok would be planet-sized in about 630 years.

So by the mid-37th century, Blok is the new Mogo.

And a century before that, a thousand-kilometer-tall Blok joins the Legion of the day as "Asteroid Lad".

"(4) Mordru: As she approached old age, Mysa Nal’s control over the dark magicks and powerful sorcerous personalities she had absorbed began to wane. In a climactic duel, Mordru re-manifested, and slew the Black Witch, who now strongly resembled her former incarnation as “The Hag”.
Mysa, however, invoked one last, desperate spell, binding the dual souls of Mordru, human and demonic, to her frail, failing body. Her mind, memories, soul, and personality were exchanged for Mordru’s.
The nine-foot-tall, near-immortal body of the half-demon sorcerer Mordru is now possessed by the soul of Zola Aq (Mysa Nal) of Naltor, and controls as well the violet magic of Amethyst of Gemworld. He/she is possibly thousands of years old, depending on which body and spirit you are counting. He/she carries heavy responsibilities as Prime Minister of the Sorcerer’s World, and maintains a long-distance but very amicable relationship with Blok. " - KKT

This is a great story in itself. This would be a eight parter in today's DC!!

Mr Cobb seems like a very appropriate story line as well.

I can see the younger Dox marrying Kid Quantum 2.

I like how you merged the SWG/5YL with the Reboot ... I think they dont merge badly, we just get to have the new characters like Kinetix in the game.

Those are some amazingly interesting character profiles there... love that your 3 heavy hitters are all female! Those are some really interesting lineages and the resulting power combinations are mind-blowingly creative.