Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Death in the 31st century

As all fanboys do, I love making lists.

I was working on a list of all Legionnaires who had died, ever, but then I thought it might be easier to make a list of those Legionnaires who have not died.

I am excluding deaths which occurred as a result of Everybody-In-That-Univese-Dying-Or-No-Longer-Existing, because otherwise, the lists would be completely empty.

Comments as to the completeness of these lists would be appreciated.

This does not include cases in which an individual appeared to have died, but was actually still alive. (e.g.: Wildfire, Chameleon Girl, Gates)

Members of the Legion in the current continuity who have never died in any continuity (excluding Universal Armageddons)
1. "False Pretenses Lad" (Jan Jor)
2. Chemical Kid (Hadru Jamik)
3. Comet Queen (Grava)
4. Command Kid (Jeem Rehtu)
5. Dragonwing (Marya Pai)
6. Glorith (Glorith)
7. Harmonia (Harmonia Li)
8. Invisible Kid II (Jacques Foccart)
9. Night Girl (Lydda Jath)
10. Matter-Eater Lad (Tenzil Kem)
11. Quislet
Star Boy (Thom Kallor)
12. Lightning Lord (Mekt Ranzz)
13. Saturn Queen (Eve Aries)


Members of the Legion in other continuities who have never died in any continuity (excluding Universal Armageddons)
(And one continuity in which they were Legionnaires)
1. Calamity King (E. Davis Ester) (5YG)
2. Catspaw (April Dumakas) (5YL)
Celeste (Celeste Rockfish McCauley) (5YL)
3. Chlorophyll Kid (Ral Benem) (5YG)
4. Color Kid (Ulu Vakk) (5YG)
5. Command Kid (Jeem Rehtu) (Classic)
6. Computo (Danielle Foccart) (5YL)
7. Crystal Kid (Bobb Kohan) (5YG)
Dragonmage (Xao Jin) (5YL)
8. Dream Boy (Rol Purtha) (ThreeBoot)
9. Echo (Myke-4 Astor) (5YG)
Ferro Lad 2 (Douglas Nolan) (Unnamed Alternate Universe)
10. Fire Lad (Staq Mavlen) (5YG)
11. Flederweb (Flederweb) (5YL)
12. Gear (I.Z.O.R.) (Reboot)
13. Impulse (Richard Kent Shakespeare) (5YL)
Insect Queen (Leona Leong) (Reboot)
Karate Kid 2 (Myg) (5YG)
14. Kid Quantum 2 (Jazmin Cullen) (5YL RetCon)
15. Kono (Brita An'nan) (5YL)
Lamprey (Tayla Scott) (5YG)
16. Magno (Dyrk Magz) (Reboot)
Nightwind (Berta Skye Haris) (5YG)
17. Porcupine Pete (Peter Dursin) (5YG)
Power Boy (unnamed) (Adult Legion)
18. Reflex (Devlin O'Ryan) (5YL)
19. Sensor (Jeka Wynzorr) (Reboot – I think Sensor Snake is sufficiently different from Princess Projectra as to be considered a different character)
20. Shikari (Shikari Lonestar) (Reboot – I think Shikari is sufficiently different from Dawnstar as to be considered a different character)
21. Sizzle (Teela Spuunvll) (ThreeBoot)
22. Spider Girl (Sussa Paka) (5YL)
23. Stone Boy (Dag Wentim) (5YG)
24. Storm Boy (Myke Chypurz) (5YG)
25. Theena (ThreeBoot)
26. Turtle (Bogdan Tarka) (ThreeBoot)
27. Visi-Lad (Rhent Ustin) (5YG)

Honorable Mention:
The following Legionnaires are “Lost in Time”, or from the future, and could possibly turn up alive sometime in the current continuity.
Aside from that, they have not yet otherwise died, as far as I know.
Anti-Lad (unnamed) (Classic)
1. Chameleon Girl (Yera Allon) (Current)
2. Dawnstar (Dawnstar) (Current)
3. Dynamo Boy (Vorm) (Classic)
4. Gates (Ti'julk Mr'asz) (ReBoot / Current)
5. Infectious Lass (Drura Sepht) (5YL)
Inferno (Sandy Anderson) (ReBoot)
6. Tellus (Ganglios) (Current)
7. Thunder (CeCe Beck) (ReBoot)
Timber Wolf / Lone Wolf / Wolfpack (Brin Londo) (Current)
Tyroc (Troy Stewart) (Current)
8. Wildfire / E.R.G.-1 (Drake Burroughs) (Current)
It is entirely possible that “Wildfire cannot die, as he is already dead, and has been ever since his body was destroyed and converted into ‘anti-energy’”.
9. XS (Jenni Ognats) (ReBoot / Current)
10.(Mxyzptlk-descendant (Adult Legion))
11.(Luthor-descendant (Adult Legion))

From Wildfire's Legion in the 75th Century (ReBoot):
(Not dead yet; not even born yet)
1. Membrain
2. Magno-Boy of Braal
3. Lodestone of Braal
4. Triad-III of Carggg
5. Triplicate of Cargg
6. Argent of Benii
7. Silverwing of Renii
Shape of Durla
Shift of Durla


Other Special Cases
I assume that Jimmy Olsen (Elastic Lad) and Pete Ross (I-know-Superboy's-Secret-Identity Boy) would already be dead by the 31st century, but wouldn't it be interesting if one of them weren't?

We actually saw Lana (Insect Queen) Lang die in "Whatever happened to the Man of Tomorrow?".

Nor do I definitively know whatever became of Comet the Super-Horse (a Legionnaire for a short time as "Biron the Bowman"), theoretically immortal, or Proty II (a Legionnaire for a short time as Blockade Boy II). Comet is probably too weird for the current continuity, but I believe Proty II was last seen pre-5YG working as a professional photographer.


I am not sure what to do with Kid Psycho (Gnill Opral). He technically died shortly before his universe was destroyed by flying into the "white", but then, so did Ultraman, and he has been back in at least three different incarnations since then.

Versions of Dragonmage and Karate Kid 2 are both dead, per Legion of 3 Worlds.

I believe Timber Wolf was technically killed during "End of an Era", rather than being whited out.

Tyroc was vividly killed in one of the "Alternate Legions" in LSH #300. I believe the "Blok betrays the Legion" reality takes out a couple of more on your list as well.

Wasn't the point of the Adult Legion Power Boy that his statue was featured in the "Hall of the Dead"?

Kid Psycho's statue has been featured in recent stories, so I guess that means he's dead somehow or another in current continuity.

Gates has a statue in one of the flashbacks in the "Legend of the Dead Earth" annual, suggesting he was killed in that continuity, though since technically all of the other Legionnaires except Wildfire had died at the point of the story, you might not want to count that.

Douglas Nolan -- killed in the reboot and Mordruverse continuities.

And neither Lamprey nor the reboot version of Insect Queen were ever members of the Legion.

Thank you, Mr. Davis, that is just the kind of feedback I am looking for.

I have updated the list, giving Gates a pass.

I had forgotten about the Wildfire Legion-- and interesting concept. I will need to research the membership: those are Legionnaires which have not died yet. (Or, in fact, yet been born, in the 31st century)

Can it really be true that Star Boy has never died on-panel?

Nightwind died 5 Years Later, does that count?

I'm pretty sure Shape and Shift of Durla died in their Legion's final confrontation with the cannon. They were both revealed to be traitors to the team.

Star Boy and Matter-Eater Lad were Legionnaires during the "Doom of the Super-Heroes" story where the Mask Man kills everyone except Superboy, so they would have died too.

Star Boy has kind of an interesting relationship to that story. While his headshot is shown on the Mask Man's roulette wheel of death or whatever on the title panel, this is actually during the period between his debut and "The Menace of Dream Girl" when they'd all but forgotten about him, and he wasn't actually appearing in Legion stories. So it's questionable whether or not he is actually killed in the story.

I'm pretty sure he's taken out in the "Blok betrays the Legion" story in LSH #300, but I haven't checked to make sure.

I don't think Infectious Lass is a member in the current continuity, even though they made a mistake in Dr. 13. The version who was a member isn't the version who was lost.

I don't think Anti-Lad was ever a member, either--he intentionally had himself discovered to be a fraud. The photo of him was from before his membership was final. (I don't have the story with me to check, however.)

This one is absolutely debatable on a number of levels, but I would contend that Stone Boy died at the end of the "Legion of Substitute Heroes Special" :



Like I say, it's possible that book wasn't in continuity (though nothing necessarily precludes it), and they never actually say he's dead, but... sheesh!

As an interesting note, the next time Stone Boy appears in a Legion story after the above happens isn't until after the Five Year Gap at a point after history has been rewritten by Glorith.

I don't see why we should think that's dead. It's not as if he's in pieces. He's just stuck in the ground head first.

Holy Cow! Ken... you have just totally changed my world view.

For 25 years, every time I've looked at that image I've seen it as being an image of Stone Boy's head broken off.

When you said that, though, I suddenly realized what I was seeing as a shattered head/neck area... is really just his chest logo (slaps head).

I humbly withdraw my previous contention.

I see how his chest symbol could appear to be a broken off head.

For what it's worth, Proty II was seen several times 5YL.

What about Saturn Queen and Lightning Lord?

Good call. Inducted by Dynamo Boy, whom they later betrayed.

Anti-Lad was so totally a Legionnaire. Even the title of his story was “The Legionnaire Nobody Remembered.”

(Although to be fair, on the cover we see Superboy staring down Anti-Lad, which scene never actually happens between the covers, so there you go.)

He may have been on some kind of “Legion Probation”, but Anti-Lad even had his own dorm room right there in the Legion Clubhouse, which is how he was “revealed”- Brainiac 5 and Cosmic Boy snuck into his room at night, turned on all the lights, which, if he had been telling the truth, would have blinded him.

(And if he had been telling the truth, he would have been the first blind Legionnaire… another instance of teen-aged Legion jerkiness.)

True, Infectious Lass was never a Legionnaire in the current continuity, but was a Legionnaire in Polar Boy’s 5YG Legion, in addition to being, with Jacques, a member of the ad hoc Adult Legion in 5YL. (and later, the First Lady of Earth)

Corrected.

The “When Blok Betrayed the Legion” story is problematic. As I recall, all we really see at the end is LSHQ being blown to pieces, but people survive explosions all the time. (In the real world, for a few hours, max. But this is comics.)

On the other hand, the whole point of the story is that Blok and the Dark Man manage to destroy the Legion; including killing all the members who have chosen to stay. So I will accept the consensus, and say that we have seen Star Boy die or dead on-panel.

Matter-Eater Lad, on the other hand, was also left out of the “Mask Man” story, no doubt due to being completely forgotten about.

By the time of “Blok Betrayed the Legion”, Tenzil had long left the Legion to become a Bismollian politician, attorney, and holo-vid star. And ultimately, in 5YL, marry Eve (Saturn Queen) Aries, which I think is an accomplishment superior even to his having eaten the Miracle Machine.

So I am still looking for Matter-Eater Lad to have died.

(Calorie Queen said that Bismollians have nuclear reactor stomach, so Matter-Eater Lad’s demise could be truly spectacular.)

The problem with Infectious Lass is that she;s listed above under "honorable mention" as being lost in time. The version that was a Legion member is not the version that was lost in time. I would think that to be eligible, the same version of the character who was a Legion member would have to be the version that was lost or killed.

As for Anti-Lad, I now have the issue in front of me. He was tested and then sent to the guest quarters, not his own room, being told "tomorrow we'll resume the rest of your membership tests". They never do because they discover he's a fake. It's pretty clear that he's not a member. (This was my first regular Legion issue. My first issue period was V1 #3.)

That's not true either. He claimed he was from a world with an extremely bright sun and needed the visor to amplify the light so he could see. If he had been telling the truth, turning on the lights without the visor would have been too dim for him, not too bright for him, and while he wouldn't have been able to see at that moment, it wouldn't have been because he was blinded.

[tangent]
I kind of love how Bismollans are like the anti-Kryptonians.

Superman can literally bench-press the planet Earth with the tiny amount of sunlight that hits his face, converting an amount of energy so small that it's pressure cannot be effectively measured into an amount of force that requires exponential notation to write down.

Tenzil can break down matter on an atomic level, releasing Wildfire-levels of nuclear energy, and uses it to maintain a 98.6 body temperature, human level metabolism and fuel semi-regular exercise.

Where does all that energy go? Maybe the same place where all that Krypto-Daxamite energy comes from...

(Same with Tharrans, really. They absorb / negate vast quantities of heat every second of every day on Tharr. Where does it go? Do they, like Bismollans, just somehow metabolize or shunt away vast quantities of energy? Does it go to another dimension? If they 'create' too much 'cold,' do they overtax their ability to shunt heat away and burst into flames? To a lesser extent, the same question with Shady. Where does the radiant energy / light she's nullifying go? To the DC equivalent of Marvel's darkforce dimension? Does she absorb it, and, like Bismollans, *not* gain Kryptonian level abilities from it?)

Eh. I guess that's why it's called science fiction.

Actually, it's called "comic book physics". The "science" part of Science Fiction is supposed to be at least theoretically possible.

What I am trying to do here is look at any Legionnaire in any continuity, whose death we clearly saw in any continuity.

The "honorable mention" category is for problematic cases: Infectious Lass is "lost in time" in the current continuity, which means she, we suppose, was sent back in time and died there. However, if she shows up again in the 31st century, like Star Boy did, maybe she wasn't dead after all. The problem of Legionnaires in the future is even more difficult, but I stuck them in that category anyway.

Life expectancy in the 31st century:

I found a remarkable report that shows that for the years 1700 through 1900 (18th and 19th centuries) the maximum age has gradually increased, in a very linear fashion, closely tracking the equation (Year)/4-350. Thus, the oldest known person born before 1700 lived to about the age of 75; the oldest known person born before 1890 lived to about the age of 122. I was born in 1945; by the time 2080 rolls around, there ought to be a few individuals who have lived to about the age of 135. For children born in 2013, the projected, calculated age is 153! Imagine a person in 2166 saying, “Oh, yes, I was born when Barak Obama was President of the United States.”

Median age, or life expectancy, does not follow such a straight-line history. It bounces around quite a bit, but seems to be about 40% to 65% of maximum life expectancy. And, of course, it varies tremendously by geography.

Projecting into the 31st century, there ought to be in 3013 a (human, terran) man or woman now in his or her 320’s. Individuals born between 2800 and 2885 ought to be fairly common in the population. Some single individual born in 3013 ought to live to be over 400, with median life expectancy for the general population between 160 and 270.

No wonder there are 100 billion people living on 31st-century Earth!

Back in the Bierbaum's run they wrote a supplement for the DC RPG. It contained a great deal of supplemental information about their version of the Legion.

I'm pretty sure they had Comet Queen (Grava)down as having died in the 5YG.

Is it canon enough? Don't know. But it would have been their version had they to dealing with the character.