Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes I'm a bit late to the party: ThreeBoot Legion thoughts and questions:

I have to say that the idea of the Knights Tempus was just incredibly cool. Too bad it was basically ignored after their introduction...

HAHA! I just got to this part in the series! I took a little break. XD So...wait...THEY NEVER GET TALKED ABOUT AGAIN?? Whuuuuu? But it was such a cool idea! What a letdown.

The solicit for issue 50 (which DC kept online for a few months after 50 was available in stores, despite it being woefully inaccurate) promised the return of Cosmic Boy and various other things that, with the absence of the dude writing the comic, and the new writer's inability to put the three issues worth of wrapup promised (the arc was plotted out to issue 52) into a single issue, never really happened.

Heck, had the numbers been there, it might have even been a great jumping on point for a spin-off mini, dealing with Cos and his mysterious adventures in the 41st century!

Sadly, not having Batman or Wolverine in it, the Threeboot Legion was never gonna have a spin-off book.

Was threeboot Cos in Legion of 3 Worlds? I really don't remember.

Well, I did a quick look through it and I don't see him! Not even in the "group" shot near the end of the 5th issue. I guess Johns remembered that he never came back! XD However, he is on the COVER of the 3rd issue on the hand of the retroboot Cos.

So what were the Knights Tempus? They of the so very cool...

This thread is making me more interested in the threeboot!

It seems odd to me now that i've finished them that the whole series seems so ignored by the fandom. I mean, while I definitely didn't enjoy it as much as the ZH reboot, it's certainly heads and shoulders above what's going on now. I think the threeboot suffered from some veeeerrrryyy bad writing about 3/4ths of the way through and just never recovered. Now that i've finished it, I can say that those last 10 issues were just AWFUL. I mean...they were bad. I love the Legion, and I think I might have dropped the series back then had I been reading it.

I'm hoping that the new direction the current series is taking will prevent me from doing the same now. XD

It genuinely scares me that the Threeboot got even worse after I stopped reading it.

Three future teens who travel a millenium into the past to recruit their biggest inspiration... Cosmic Boy!

Given the events of the issue they're featured in, it's an open question whether they are actually heroes, or something ominous.

Ohhhhh yeah. I mean, the last year or so was LAUGHABLY bad. It kind of amazed me that it started out (imho) pretty strong and just plummeted SO QUICKLY. By the midway point the book was struggling to be mediocre and by the end it was just TERRIBLE. The ZH Legion took a lot longer to get bad, and then (again, imho) got a lot better during the Legion series. But damn, the poor threeboot just crashed and BURNED.

Relive the excitement as the wretchedness of issue #50 sets in!

Watch the last remaining Shooter Loyalist's heads explode!

See RickShaw use all caps... a lot!

See the shell-shocked attempts to find somewhere to place blame!

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Ahh... memories. I wonder whatever happened to Ricardo? We agreed on virtually nothing, but he was a cool, if passionate, guy.

Supposedly Shooter wanted to reintroduce them as they were going to appear and try to stop the Legion interfering with Jeckies mad plans as her great grandson was going to be a Galactic level hero some time in the Legion's future much like Superman was in the 21st century.

Like Eryk, I thought their story potential rocked and was disappointed that it was just another loose end hanging in the Gordonian knot of dangling plots that was left behind.

Ah there's a story for Bits just waiting to be written.

Man, did you guys go to town on that #50 issue or WHAT. There were definitely some hard feelings going on here. XD

Yeah, issue 50 so bugged me with it's sloppiness that I wrote my own version!

I came away with little positive from this run. My general impression reading it at the time was both the story and art was forced. Mr. Kitson is a brilliant artist and obviously put his all in it, but I think in an effort to get all the Legionnaires in every panel, the dynamic action was often sacrificed (generally speaking). Super Legion Fan Mr. Waid also threw himself in the project, but by attempting to make the Legion in his own image, the early stories were a lot of character re-writes which made the main plot lines proceed at a glacial pace. The new premise of a young, rebel Legion in a dystopian future was a downer. It often read like some Disney Channel sitcom, where the dumb adults had to be led around by hand by the snotty, brash juveniles. Who wants to read about brats in a crappy future? I think that's why the briefly hinted 41st Century of the Knights Tempus was a more appealing concept.

The arrival of Supergirl was actually a plus for me, although I know Mr. Waid probably didn't appreciate the edict. It did boost sales for a while and added some needed tradition and spark to the otherwise tangent and stagnant Legion.

One final note: the main storyline involving Praetor Lemnos (I called him Lame-nos) went waaaay too long and was worth hardly any payoff. This most of all is what doomed the series soon out of the gate.

Re Supergirl, if I remember right she was in space during Infinite Crisis with Donna Troy's team, and when space went all explode-y she ended up in the 31st century.

I know her "Oh-you're-all-just-part-of-my-dream" thingie was initially fun, but got annoying real fast.

Agree with all the dislike heaped on Threeboot Lyle and Jo. This version of Jo made me want to punch the smug sprock in the face. Hated how Supergirl pretended to be weak so he'd get a confidence boost - "Ha! Now I'm stronger than you!" Way to drop the ball on potential character development and maturity there. So now we have the powerful Ultra Boy still remain a very dumb arrogant jock who regularly beat up on his teammates. And even up to issue 50, Invisible Kid didn't mature.

Besides Dream Girl and Atom Girl, whom Set described very ably above, I'll heap praise on Light Lass. I found her very refreshing, and she managed to take a somewhat silly power and own it. That scene on Colu where she wrought mass destruction in order to flush out Lemnos was awesome. Loved all the jokes about her sleeping around, and as Set commented above they were made in a way that didn't judge her. And I found this Ayla one of the best examples of the classic Legion camaraderie - she seemed to be a friend to all and one of the truly heroic Legionnaires.

I like how Lightning Lad slowly matured through the series. At least HE showed some growth. Also like that he was more thoughtless than truly immature.

Shadow Lass was kind of middling for me. Loved how they highlighted her good combat skills and status on Talok. Personality was okay, Talokian society's focus on the physical was interesting, but as a warrior princess I would have thought she'd go for the smart and physical Karate Kid over dumb hothead Ultra Boy. I truly loathe that version of Jo.

There's a lot of curious questions that arise given Johns's retcon of this being the Legion of Earth-Prime. Apparently there must be a Brainiac of Earth-Prime, as well as bizarros on Earth-Prime, and somehow the bottle city of Kandor gets enlarged on Rokyn. I wonder how all of this squares with Superboy-Prime's general demeanor.

Though I'm not sure I wonder enough to actually see any of it revisited.

Although the only superhero on Earth-Prime was supposed to be Superboy (er, and Ultraa?) I don't think they ever established that this was still true after Superboy's time. No reason there couldn't have been a Brainiac and Bizarros later on. (Plus they aren't "superheroes", so that may be a loophole if that was the word used instead of "superbeings" or whatever.) Given the way Earths tend to reflect each other's most iconic elements with slight variations in form, location, and/or timing, it's really to be expected that they would show up somehow eventually.

And then there's the whole idea that the Legion's historical records are never really perfect. Some Legions were even travelling back to the wrong Earth the whole time!

Yeah, but the point is that, given that this version of Superboy ended up as villain, how exactly the whole Brainiac-Kandor-Rockyn story works in this reality must be radically different than classic "Earth-1". Plus, the question of how Bizarros fit into this Superboy's continuity, etc.

It's more of a question of how they all relate to the LSH isn't it?

But I think they always have the out that the Time Trapper twisted their Time Bubble jaunts to the wrong earth or pocket dimension. If one Legion's Time Trapper did it, you can assume this one did it too, or if there's only one Trapper then screwing with one Legion's time travel might screw with all of them.

Anyway, I see how there being a Brainiac 5 implies an orignial Brainiac, but what about the Legion implies Bizarros in their past?

Threeboot Micro Lad (Gim Allon)'s origin involves a city that was enlarged by Bizarro Brainiac. There is also a reference to a past encounter with Bizarro Legionnaires, but it may have been made up.

And Brainiac's existence is implied not only by Brainiac 5's existence, but by a visit to Rokyn, the planet on which Kandor has been enlarged, which suggest it was, as with Earth One, shrunk and stolen by Brainiac.

So Superboy-Prime was definitely from Krypton? I seem to remember his alter ego wasn't Clark Kent, but not the other differences, if any.

Yeah, he was Clark Kent. His mother was determined to name her child "Clark" long before she met his father, so he was saddled with the unfortunate name "Clark Kent" when she married a Kent. So he grew up reading comics featuring his namesake, only to discover that he himself started developing power circa the Crisis.

I'm not sure if his Kryptonian origins were confirmed in his introduction, but certainly since Infinite Crisis or whenever Johns reintroduced him, he's been from Krypton-Prime.