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I can't understand why Dan DiDio still has a job. He just has no idea what he's doing.

1. Have TPTB said what is "replacing" the LSH in the first Adventure Comics arc?

2. One of the things that I think explains the low number of comics sold each month compared to 20 years ago is that so many books do not come out on schedule, ie., still waiting for the last issue of 'Planetary'. At some point most reasonable people will find something more reliable on which to spend their entertainment money.

Yeah, in me re-familiarization with the world of comics, I quickly starting to believe that *nothing* comes out on time. When I was actively reading 20someodd years ago, a monthly book came out like clockwork. There was never a delay (that I can remember or was aware of) with COIE or any other series. What's so hard about having a deadline and sticking to it? Maybe they should worry less about umpteenbillion variant covers (something that I don't think ever happened way back when) and worry about getting the actual books out on time. Out in the regular business world, if someone kept missing their deadlines, they wouldn't have a job for very long.

The main problem both companys have these days is that neither can do a big event book right and it keeps messing up the rest of the line. Either they have slow artist or writers or they start making changes in the end which throws everything off kilter.

That and the fact the Didiot is just about the worse EIC from any company I have ever seen. He just has no idea what he is doing.

The sollicits for Lo3W #5 do say that the story sets up everything for Adventure Comics #1

I wonder if those solicits were written before Didio decided that Adventure #1 would be Legion-less?

Or is this more Didio-speak for, 'Since Prime is dismembering the majority of the Legion in his bloody climactic rampage in Lo3W #5, this nicely sets up Adventure #1 to not have any Legionnaires in it...'

I guess Adventure #1 will be about a new hero called "Didioman". This super new superhero will be working as a misunderstood newspaper editor - let's call him Dan - on daytimes, trying to fix things that have gone wrong on his newspaper for years.

But in the nights, Didioman is creeping out of his cradle and wrecks everything that Dan tried to fix over the day - and some more, so every morning Dan wakes up, everything is even worse than the day before, and he just can't make out why!!!

This will be a very tragic storyline written by fan favorites like Judd Winnick or McDuffie. Maybe some fantastic artwork by Bill Jaaska or Benitez from Titans. Sales will probably start high cause a #1 issue is always worth its weight in gold and go down quickly.

At #7 the Legion sixparter will start, but sales have already floundered so badly that a cancellation is due to #10. So the writer has to cut back his story into four issues. The new Adventure Comics will be cancelled, and TPTB will come to the conclusion:

The Legion just doesn't sell. Reboot them. This time, try them as Legion babies...

Or release an All-Star Legion series written by Frank Miller in which they're all sex-crazed maniacs and they talk for 5 issues in the Legion cruiser...

Isn't that the Howard Chaykin version ?

in the Chaykin version there's more types of oral activity than just talking.

Y'know, we should really stop giving DC ideas.

[forehead, meet keyboard]

while i'm not necessarily remembering delays with miniseries back in the day (though i'm certain this did happen occasionally), there were certainly lots of issues related to deadlines - the difference within the past 20+ years or so is that comics are now very rarely done-in-ones as they were in the past. When the "Dreaded Deadline Doom" came up for the series regular creators in the early to mid 1980s (and before), an editor would stick in a standalone fill-in issue and still ship an issue on time. But do that today to meet a shipping deadline, and beside interrupting a 6 part story arc, and pissing off the readers, the publisher would also have to accept returns because the contents wouldn't be by the same creators or feature the same story as originally solicited. Delays are annoying, but I'd rather see a quality product rather than some lame inconsequential story that's been sitting in an editors desk collecting dust for months.

The credits for the "Origin and Omens" backup tale named:

* Adventures Comics #0, written by Geoff Johns with art by Francis Manapul.

Johns was obvious, FM returning is a unexpected surprise.

Geoff Johns seems very involved with the Legion with Lo3W, Superman: Secret Origins (right title?) where the Legion gets tied back to the Superman mythos...and now this.

Maybe a Johns-penned Legion series may not be too far-off...?

Francis! That makes me extremely happy!

Yeah me too! He was the saving grace for me on the threeboot--I'd love it if he stayed involved with the Legion in whatever form its in.

In this week's DC Nation Didio is pushing the Omens and Origins event in February as important to showing and explaining some of the changes wrought by Final Crisis. He has a checklist of all the Omens and Origins titles and goes out of his way to reccomend Adventure Comics #0 if you want a "real big surprise".

Hmmm...any word on that January Superman trial? Superboy(the current Superman as a boy) is going to be appearing in a new(or at least a modern retelling) DC story for the first time in a looooong time.

And I notice the DC has finally given us an approximation of when the final issues of LO3W will be coming out(end of March).


Or maybe it could just be they are going to announce that Geoff Johns is the new Legion writer. I notice he's added an "Adventure Comics starting in 2009" to his Legion of 3 Worlds subforum at the Comic Bloc. I don't think he'd add that title to that subforum if it wasn't going to be an ongoing gig for him....as he tends to only have titles he is writing listed in his forums.

The Superman trial is again postponed. And it's just that Geoff is (yawn) writing the story. It's so obvious that Dan Didio trusts Johns to solve every single hack job of mismanaging properties that he can ruin every single thing (LSH #50) just to prove his point.

Or they reached a working agreement with the family and are keeping it under wraps. I do notice Final Crisis number 3 got a substantial move up in release, with all Perez art...those flexible delays I was talking about earlier when people were saying it is Johns and Perez behind the delays are amazing are they not?

And on this my dear Ricardo...I must disagree 100%. Geoff Johns is extremely exclusive with which titles go under his name at the Comic Bloc and which ones don't. He might put a co-creator on the same character under his name if it's a story or character he has extensive control over and that's about it. You notice there's a not a one that he's not writing under his name there right now and he makes it clear when his last issue of JSA will be in the forum header.

He doesn't say Adventure Comics #0...he says Adventure Comics coming in 2009.

I mean why would he make it look like he's going to write Adventure at his forums when he's not...it's not like it's going to help sales given the traffic at that forum, all it does is hurt his credibility, and rep if it turns out to be crap.

So I'm gonna disagree and say he will be the new writer for the Legion. I don't think he'd have the title included that way in his forums if it was just one issue or something he wasn't closely affiliated with.

And he doesn't put one shots there either...there is no Solomon Grundy forum there.


To tie it all together...I think Johns was waiting to see if he could write Superman/boy and the Legion, the only version he said he wanted to write(and wisely so based on the fan thrashing every other creator has gotten that has tried to do it otherwise) before commiting to it...and I think that announcement is forthcoming.


Well, yeah plus he sells well most of the time. If he didn't sell it wouldn't matter.

60,000 > 22,000

Superboy, Johns IS writing ADV #0. So everything you said is a moot point at this time. It's clear that Dan will wait for whatever time he needs just to get him to relaunch the Legion.
As for sales figures, it doesn't really matter at this point. It's clear that Shooter's fate was decided when, at the very first issue of his run, he was trampled by something called The Lightning Saga (probably one of the worst Legion stories ever) and later by Legion of 3 Worlds.

I agree. I grew up reading the Cockrum, then Grell and then Sherman/Nasser LSH, that's the one I love and miss. That's part of the reason I've not been around here at all in the past couple of years. I just lost interest. It wasn't that the storytelling and visuals were bad, they were fine but it wasn't the Legion I knew and loved. It was like an alternate universe of sorts. This is an opportunity for DC to make this all right again, hope they follow through.

I'll put it this way. Why in the heck do they think that rewriting origins, changing costumes or even skin colors of well loved icons is going to boost sales?? Besides varying degrees of costume upgrades Supes, Bats and WW are basically the same and are still popular.

I do know that the LSH at times have gotten the raw end of the deal with writers and artists that have come on board with either no interest (just a job) which was very much reflected in the story telling and visuals. Others have come in with the INTENTION of making them great but their vision was not up to par with the fan base expectations. Then imaginative folks like Barry come in and try to change things up to make it more exciting but in the long run ... we miss the originals and who could blame us??

How many times can your retell the same story and keep it exciting?? Well I'm 48, I've been reading and collecting since I was 9 years old, so about 40 years and I've seen the same story retold over and over and over again in books like the JLA, X-Men, Avengers ...... on and on and on. If there are strong artists and writers that are good wordsmiths with vision then they could take the entire run of Adventure Comics, revamp them for todays readership, new art and digital color effects and have some darned good books that would sell just fine.

Just sayin'.....

Cham

Good to see you again CB!

Welcome back, Cham!

just wanted to remind everyone the book will be out tomorrow! I think you guys might be pleasantly surprised!

Thanks for the reminder, hope your right about the pleasantly surprised part. I definently am looking forward to it. Thanks again for your efforts on the series.