Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! LSH 43 ~~~~~SPOILERS

Oh, please, Bedard was not noir-ish, he had a fill-in story that led nowhere, with lots of action and no plot. Now we have a sci-fi political book with not-so-teen adventurers. That's more like it.
And, for that reason, Legion for me is a book to have really intricate and daring artwork. Even though we had our share of classic artists, I don't think there is a return to that after Giffen, Pearson, Coipel and Manapul. Sorry, but this is how I see Legion: more experimental, more storytelling, less action-driven, more characterization, more background. And that's why I despised the reboot and love Shooter's run.

Actually, though I don't have the comic in front of me, I got the impression that Lu's apparent disparaging comment directed toward Lyle may have been a bubble-typo that was supposed to be spoken by either Brin or Shady. I say this because it seemed like she contradicted herself in the next line she said which supported him. I could be mis-remembering, though.

As for Brin, I think Shooter is showing that he is getting more feral over time, possibly losing the control he showed earlier in the series. Bedard developed this somewhat, and Shooter has shown him getting increasingly more aggressive during his run.

And the bare feet ROCK, man! No feral character should wear boots, dammit! <No martial arts characters either, Val! >

This is not an anomaly, in fact, for Brin losing his temper and becoming more feral. TMK dealt with that and I think I remember some Levitz issues also dealing with that.

again, i have to defend bedard and i think he did a bang up job with a GREAT plot (they go to find cos, but actually brainy's playing chess with them and getting supergirl to go back home, complete with excellent characterization, following up on previous storyline threads, reintroducing matter eater lad and ending on a pretty happy note)

that done, yes, someone's already mentioned that waid had jan liking naked time. i also like that he might get stoned. if you can control elements and can sober up at any point, why not?

again, nothing happened in this story, more of the same baby steps towards something but.. i dunno ho wto explain that an abundance of word bubbles and action scenes does not mean the story is moving forward.

why was giselle on that planet, btw? why wasn't she with the other UPYH people?! did i miss something? @_@ was there a team there to take care of rimbor??! oh and giselle was totally helping them out, she said "they went down this drain pipe" and the legionaires most definitely did not go down that drawn pipe. again, i thought that was pretty clear and not ambiguous at all in the art.

as for the art, i... still think it's top notch despite people's complaints. the legion hasn't gotten such a good artist on its book since coipel. i had no problem telling who was talking and what was going on. absolutely none. i don't know what to tell you.

as for dreamer being "excused: off duty"... being trapped in someone's head doesn't seem to fulfill that, i assume they're talking about dream BOY, since the rest of the UP understands that dream girl is DEAD (remember that thing where Naltor freaked out that b5 was keeping her body?).

jan liking naked time? = awesome

jo wanted for vehicular homicide? = AWESOME (...hahha he hit someone with a hover car, that must be pretty hard, right?!being up in the air.. you'd think they'd have better safety stuff in the future hahah wow. oh well, at least the IDEA is cool. i hope it turns out he picked up a car and hit someone with it.)

shrinking violet suddenly advocating SG mind wiping people after so vehemently being against it previously? = not awesome. opposite of awesome.

saturn girl using her powers in the bad way left and right, and worst leader ever (WE CAN'T DO THIS, IT'S HORRIBLE!.... WAIT OK, WE'LL DO THIS! WAIT LET ME CALL LL... I AM A DOORMAT MAYBE) = god kill me now.

cham god mode = *sobs* no, cham ;_;! though he does make great faces.

ohhh one more thing. i thought it was established in the lightning saga thing that trip and kk were from action comics old people legion? and not THIS legion?! but.. god i have no idea what's going on ;_; if i were them i would have.. given someone a heads up...

don't think they're recruiting for Lo3W because that's supposed to have like.. ALL the legionnaires in it from how perez said he had to draw everyone and their mom.

so... are these the same guys that snatched cos?

and templar? can some nice person tell me who they are? if they're like.. the KNIGHTS templar?! well that might explain why they speak the way they do.

oh and everyone being mean to lyle is stupid. very stupid. especially KK who HAS NO POWERS. it just made me think that the legion is full of jerks.

In this case Ricardo, they're contesting Brin's 3Boot characterization historically, as opposed to his classic and TMK versions. Still, as underdeveloped as Waid's characters were, I don't see Shooter's portrayal really contradicting Brin's. It's easy for me to see Waid-era Brin as simply having had more control of himself. Also, when we first met him, Brin wasn't even a Legionnaire, so as he came to know them better, he probably found them frustrating and irritating, as people tend to do when they spend too much time together,

I am guessing there was a jump in time from the last writer's stories to Shooter's. I have a feeling Nura was brought back somehow during that time.

This is the 3rd time we have seen Dreamer on the screen....I don't think they mean Dream Boy. It is on purpose.

Shooter has ignored things that Waid wrote before....why not Nura? When I talked to Waid this year in Orlando, he said he was going to bring Nura back to her body eventually anyway.

I have a feeling that she foresaw her death and sent her mind/spirit out of her body at time of "death". She then returned to it.

Yeah, this just seems to be a natural progression from what Bedard/Calero did with the arc where Timber Wolf was 'feralized.'

Although the concept of T-Wolf predates Wolverine, the former will always have comparisons with the latter, so any avoidance of Brin being uncontrollably feral is welcome. I would much rather have the thinking man's savage or the sensitive savage as we have seen in other incarnations.

Saturn Girl wasn't the only doormat in command. Karate Kid also seemed to be easily steamrolled by Invisible Kid, no less in terms of how to lead the charge.

Along with Trip's uncharacteristic snarky comment to IK and Shrinking Violet's (yes, please return to this moniker!)contradictory approval of SG's mind tampering, I'm starting to believe somebody's tampering with some of the legionnaires' minds.

I agree with the art not looking as crisp as when this run started. Overall, I wasn't as thrilled with this ish.

With Shooter eventually off this run, are there any rumours of who might take over?

I doubt they even know it. DC is really messed up these days and I bet it will be up to Geoff Johns to decide what to do with the LSH. My gut feeling is that they will try to incorporate it into Superman continuity somehow.

Is that really the complaint about Shooter's run though. My criticism is that in spite of all the stuff going on ... I rarely feel like I'm reading a story. It's more like a collection of subplots. Things do seem to be coming together now, but I'm not sure I even care any more.

Did Manpul make changes to the new costumes since we saw them on the cover way back when? Have to day that I liked the version of T.Wolf's and K.Kid's costumes better on that cover. And still don't understand why Ayla's costume was changed -- when the Kitson version was pretty much perfect.

I think Shooter's run may be the swan song for this Legion. Maybe the series or concept needs to take a break for a while. It just doesn't seem to be connecting with audiences.

Maybe a Geoff Johns Superman & the Legion title -- or even a new Superboy (Kal-El) and the Legion title with a younger version of the Action Comics adult Legion?

The costume thing is something that's been bugging me. We were told when we saw the cover preview (with all the new costumes) months ago and were told the changes would come organically in the story.

Then, when we get them a couple issues back, they just show up on the doorstep. If there is a more important story element to talk about here (possibly M'Rissey), it should have been revealed by now.

I thought Kitson had found a pretty much ideal Light Lass costume.

Are the costumes (and how they are introduced) really important to the plot, story and overall enjoyment of Shooter and Manapul's run? Just a question. Because one of the things I liked more about 5YG was ignoring it completely, focusing on what's UNDER the costume. Maybe I am totally wrong, but...

I think the costumes are going to be part of the forthcoming plot. I'm thinking since we don't know who sent them and the Legionnaires don't seem to care either, that it will come to bite them later on.

We But we do know who sent the costumes -- it was M'rissey, right? Or am I missing something?

m'rissey sent them. it was made quite plain from his conversation with querl...

I hadn't thought of this but as soon as I read it I agree! There doesn't seem to be any real ending to any of the subplots they just keep a-steamrollering along. I am enjoying them but it's like snacking rather than having a decent meal; satisfying in the short term but lacking the necessary quality needed to keep up momentum in the long term.

That said the charactyers are now beginning to have individual personalities, always a good thing! The political aspects - the government doubledealing and backstabbing, LL's niaveity, B5's scheming etc are great!

Ever since there's been that new colourist the art hasn't been as crisp or energetic - in particular I dislike TW's blue costume, the brown look on the cover of 37 was better. And IK's blue and red costume was truly awful, the charcoal and white version, again on the cover of 37, was better IMO.

This is the best issue in a few but we still need a plotline (any plotline!) to actually finish!

Thanks, Sir Tim Drake for assisting a directionally-challenged reader.


Dreamer=Dream Girl? Maaaybee. Some potential spoilers from artist Rick Leondardi, who’s doing two issues with Shooter later in the year.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16651

While Leondardi has been drawing a number of issues for Superman editor Matt Idelson, his next issues will be for DC editor Mike Marts with a two-part tale for Jim Shooter’s Legion of Super-Heroes

Leonardi had pages of both on hand, noting of Shooter, “He’s also the guy that hired me way back in the early 80s. It’s a real hoot to finally see a Shooter plot in the flesh.

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">You notice that Dream Girl appears [on my opening splash], and I may have clipped off a few of her toes, but that’s as cropping as much as Shooter would ever tolerate. </span></span>

He taught me so much, and at the time I thought it was rigid and pedantic, but it turns out that there’s actually a very good reason for a lot of these rules.”


On the larger story plot, I dunno, but I'm "watching" it as if it were a 1930s Frank Capra movie.

Lightning Lad = Jimmy Stewart in "Mr Smith Goes to Washington."
Popoff = Claude Rains.
United Planets = The corrupt U.S. Congress during the Great Depression, between WW I (Dominator War) and WW II (Hitler/One Evil).
Saturn Girl = Jean Arthur or Barbara Stanwyck.
The Legion = The Boy Rangers

I forgot to say, I suspect the mystery people in the time bubble are Booster Gold and friends trying to "fix" the timeline of the future.

I wonder if Gisselle looks different each time we see her because her metabolism adapts to each envioroment - cold and dark on Triton so white skin with prominent veins and big eyes, warmer and lighter on Earth/Rimbor so more skin colour and smaller eyes?

I still like Shooters run. Having read the newest issue, I just have to say that it was good - especially cause Shooter makes me care for these Legionnaires (something Waid never accomplished).

Yes, the world looks dark for the Legion, they want to arrest them, they hunt them down, they overwhelm them... but the Legionnaires still are standing tall. You hate seeing them in this mess, but you also love seeing them in this mess (looking forward to see how they are going to get out of it...)

Shooter really makes me care. So his writing must be good!

WOOT!!!! I am totally excited about this! I looked over that page the first time and missed that part completely.

Thanks Tromium for pointing that out!!

It is my birthday tomorrow so that is a nice early B-day present that Dream Girl has been mentioned!