Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! UPDATE (12/20): Legion of Super-Heroes #1-- SOLICITATION! SPOILERS!

Looks like a smashed-up L* logo to me,

I was just being silly. That's actually a pretty cool graphic, splice a shattered Time Trapper into it and it would made a hell of a cover for Zero Hour.

Well, all I can say is thank goodness Gary and Scott didn't feel like you when THEIR Legion got rebooted. Otherwise, there wouldn't even BE a Legion World for you to have been posting on this year

I am thrilled that Mark Waid will be handling the writing. He'll never let the Legion stray too far from the one I love. I've been a fan since 1970 and own virtually every Legion appearance, as well as nearly every super-pet appearance, including Krypto. The Legion & the JSA are the two books/teams that really bring out the fan-boy in me.
I welcome the return of the Adventure-era Legion en toto, despite the all-humanoid white-boy (& girl) appearance. How wonderful that there will be a reasonable explanation for this, opening the group up to more diversity. Personally, it is my strong desire to see EVERY legionnaire of valuie returned, including Chuck & Tenzil as active members. I've long thought Bouncing Boy could be a combo of Elastic Lad with the trademark bounce of the original Chuck (maybe even some extra durability or something thrown in). Similarly, Calorie Queen really opened up the possibility to expand on Tenzil's power. Of course, I want to see the 70's-80's crew, including Tyroc & Blok, thrown in. Even the Legion subs are great. Tellus is okay. Kono was pretty cool. Computo/Danielle was a welcome addition. Finally, XS, Kid Quantum II and Gates have become classics. Hey, weren't we promised a LEGION!! I remember the days of the 25-member limit, and I hated it. Now, if you throw in Superboy & Supergirl, I'll buy multiple copies (for real).
You know, reading Barry's posts & knowing Mark, I trust I'm going to love this. Hey, maybe we'll even see a cool version of the super-pets, including Krypto. I'm getting chills.
Thanks, guys, for the promise of having my absolute favorite characters reinterpreted in a way that's fun, exciting, and true to the vision that inspired me as a child.

I agree, although as one who came on board only a couple of years before the last major reboot, I've been through this before.

But your list of plot danglers also really sums up why The Legion failed. DnA themselves completely neglected many of those plots for way too long in favor of the rather anemic Dream Crime and Foundations arcs. In at least one case, they didn't know where they were going at all (Jarth). That's not good writing, and to me it filtered through to the rest of the book, making the last year's worth of The Legion much less compelling than any of DnA's work on the LSH prior.

It's just messed-up that you can actually say that. So many other possible characters out there and yet Marvel insists on doing multiple versions of every A-list or B-list franchise...(But I suppose it's better than their previous plan to have just one FF title WITHOUT Waid)

First off the ending of DnA's excellent Legion is why many are upset including myself. Something else else I liked very much is done. I am also a huge Batista fan (got a fan letter published in his Spaceknights mini!). "Get over it" isn't the nicest way for me to get over it.

I am not the biggest fan of the new creative team BUT I am going to be open minded b/c I am such a big legion fan.

Also Barry has won me over being so nice on these boards so I am going to try hard to enjoy his work. His cover looks real good...30 pages is alot of work...i hope the inside looks as good!

With so many excellent former inkers like KESEL and Mahlstedt who I think would complement Barry...I wonder how long before we get an inker?

Doesn't KESEL work with Waid & Ringo on the FF? I love KESEL.

Jorge

I wouldn't mind Marvel Lad for Valor. He was called that at one point right? Brown costume or something? Waid didn't put that in the Who's Who decades ago but it was the in Trophy Room in the issue Tinya shows the reporter around.

Also what about Dev-Em? Always liked him. Super Kid? doh!

jorge

Hi Everyone - yet another big 'thanks' for all the kind words and support!

I do agree the cover colors are too muted - but it'll look quite different in it's finished form - I hope

I really don't know what else I can say to the guys who don't want this 'reboot' - the fact is we were asked by DC if we would like to take the reins for a major relaunch of Legion - which we did - if it wasn't us it'd be someone else - and I can't really apologize for it being me... I'm honored to be involved as long time Legion fan!

To all the folks who've been so kind about my artwork - I do really appreciate it! For those who haven't liked it in the past - I'll try to keep improving and win you over.

BTW I am happy to discuss the thinking behind the new look etc....tempered a little by trying not to give too much away about the stories! I will be posting prelim sketches etc as soon as the first issue is out.

i love having a dialogue with creators. thanks for continuing to pop in barry. i found it frustrating when DnA stopped posting on the boards. especially with no letterpages, these boards are all we have to communicate with.
the thing alot of you are forgetting is that if DnA's LEGION was pulling in the readers it wouldn't be being relaunched. no way would DC take a top seller and cancel it and re-imagine it. so if anything, this relaunch/boot/imagining is keeping the adventures of the Legion alive."well, it's not MY legion!" that's right, yours was cancelled because not enough people liked it as much as you did. it sucks, but it happens all the time, and at this point it's a done deal. why not tell us, and Waid + Kitson, what you all liked about the last 10 years of postboot stories and make a case for it to be added to the mix. i'm curious.

I like it GN but it deserves it's own thread, don't you think? I figure that if we have Barry hostage and willing to answer questions without the usual "softening up" then we really ought to see what we can beg, borrow or steal in the way of "insider" information.

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1. Have you ever drawn Dawnstar?

2. Can you possibly expand on "intergalactic knights of the round table"?

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Most excellent! That rocks man!

Hi Gorilla Nebula - Thanks - it's a pleasure to be here! Great points you made too!

Hi YelloWing

Yes I have drawn Dawnstar - first time was in the LSH Annual which was, I think, my second piece of professional work for DC. I've also been asked to draw her quite a few times at conventions. I'll do a version I'm proud of one day!

I'll have a bash at explaining 'The intergalactic knights of the round-table idea' it's that the Legion is gathered together unified by a vision of how things can and should be and a desire to bring that vision about. They may not all agree on the same methods of course, or share quite the same vision though.
Like the knights of the round table they are a band that came together through choice and through a desire to be part of the best group of 'champions' the universe has to offer.
Hope that sort of helps answer the question

Just checking, Barry, but while they're doing all this activism and stuff, they ARE still gonna be super-heroes fighting villain-type people, right?

I hate to spoil a good argument, but WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING YET! We've got some very general information about concepts, a cover, and little else. Is it possible at all that the finished product might be very different from the assumptions that some of us are making?

Yeah well, but that's only because Bendis is writing half their titles... soon it's going to be "Power Man's Marvel Universe"

Therein lies all I need to know.

And how come the X-Men have any readers left if 10 years of linear continuity is too much...?

X-Men peaked in 1991 with the release of X-Men #1. Since then, it's been waning and waxing, but mainly waning. It is very difficult to jump into any of the books at this point, much moreso than the Lee/Liefeld/Portacio days (and frankly, it wasn't EASY at that point.) All of the main characters have been pimped out for short runs on ongoing series that have mostly been cancelled in their teens or twenties.

The fact that the X-Men is still going strongly in any way is a testament to the tenacity of the fans and the greatness of the concept. However, I would not hold X-Men up as a shining example of continuity at its best, when Lorna Dane pops up with a different personality every panel, Wolverine magically appears in like 90 X-books a month, and like 28 X-Teams all inhabit the mansion, but they never run into each other or collaborate on each other's cases.

The days of the Blue and the Gold teams had its problems, to be sure, but at least you could figure out coherently where each team was and what they were doing in relation to the rest of the mutant corner of the Marvel U.

Reboot, you're preaching to the choir here. I feel your pain. I started reading LSH almost twenty years ago now (all right, all right, 17 years ago!) and have thus suffered through such continuity wrenching experiences as the Mordruverse, The Reboot, and the minor reboot I think of as DnA (the Legion under their hands was a distinct animal, IMO, because they thankfully let a lot of dangling plotlines drop--then created a whole bunch more dangling plots...). I still feel regret and sadness every time I reread the final pages of Zero Hour. I still feel frustrated and cheated by the lame-ass excuse of "too much continuity for new readers." It's such a freaking load of hooey. Say what you want about Marvel, and I could say a lot that isn't flattering, but I've never felt as condescended to as a loyal reader as I feel when DC trots out another Silver Age archives or Silver Age action figure, when they've retroactively shitcanned those stories.

That being said, I'm sorry, but I find it hard to feel much regret over saying goodbye to a flawed era. I'll see what I can take from this version, just like I have before. I'll wait to decide until I have the comic in my hot little hands.

To the people like Reboot and Pex, hey, I feel your pain. My Legion from another era was taken away too. I think every Legion fan has had it happen to him now, some more than others. Yet it is the Legion of Super Heroes that I enjoy. Some creators more than others have made it more enjoyable, but it is the characters, the concept of the Legion, and it's sense of wonder and anything is possible that had me hooked. Ijust hope at some point you are able to come to terms with the reality of the situation in a positve way, and not give up something you perhaps love. The Legion in many ways becomes an extended part of family. YOu care what happens to them good or bad, and support them no matter what...

Re: The X-Men

The OTHER comic I've been collecting for seventeen+ years. I truly believe you could make a MUCH stronger case for useless continuity with that title than any other. They should have rebooted when Claremont left. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry who've written any obscure corner of the X-verse has tried to put his "stamp" on the title, resulting in a confusing array of titles, deaths, rebirths, alternate futures, alternate pasts, groups, bases, villains, ad nauseum.

In contrast, the preboot Legion had one frigging little pocket universe, and an alternate history that was put to rest in v2 issue 300. So screw you, DC.

Uh oh, see? This is your brain on reboots....

I'm guessing they don't all _have_ to have the boy/girl/lad/lass/kid think in their names. After all, we already know Brainiac 5 is probably going to become a member at some point. That leaves room for Dev-Em, Mon-El, Quislet, and Tellus if need be.

I can't help but think that those of you who have stated that they will never pick up the new series are just cutting off your noses to spite your faces. You haven't even seen an issue yet, so perhaps you should reserve judgment. What if you actually like it when it comes out - then you're going to have to sneak out in the middle of the night to buy it, in order to save face.

Also, statements that you won't support the new creators seem to be nothing more than sour grapes. Just wait and see. If you don't like it when it comes out, that's fair - don't buy it.

And that is why I haven't completely given up on X-Men, despite the Morrison run, which I pretty much despised. As a matter of fact, it was during the Morrison run that I turned to Legion for solace, and found a vast new playground that was fun to read, something X-Men hadn't been for quite some time (even before Morrison took over...)

I stayed out of loyalty to and love for the characters. That's the main reason I'm willing to give the new LSH a shot. Even though the characters are not necessarily the same ones I grew to love, I may enjoy Legion 3.0 if it turns out to be a good read. It won't replace my Legion, but hopefully it will be a Legion I can be proud to know, just like its immediate predecessor was (and to a lesser extent, the original Legion...I like it too, I just don't have the attachment to it that I do to the PostBoot incarnation).

Yep. But hey - I'm good at that & stubborn enough to carry it through. I won't be reading it. [I dropped Exiles when they got rid of Blink (when she came back & they got a writer whose name wasn't Chuck Austen, I gave it a shot, but didn't go back).]

To use an anology - if someone came, killed off your whole family, then gave you a new "family" who looked & acted similarly, would you treat this "family" as if they were your real family?

I don't think so.

Thanks for IDing the characters on LSH #1's cover, Barry. I'm looking forward to the new book (while simultaneously missing things from the 'old' run, already)-- I just wish it was starting in OCT!

Now... can you tell is if the characters appearing on the cover also answer to these names? (They're listed in the order you provided several pages of this thread back):

Imra Ardeen, Dirk Morgna, Nura Nal, Thom Kallor, Tasmia Mallor, Rokk Krinn, Jan Arrah, Tinya Wazzo, Projectra Regina, Querl Dox, Jo Nah, Reep Daggle and Val Armorr.

Thanks for the info and your generous participation here... I hope you stick around for the entire run!

Todd