Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! Official LSH 3 Worlds Thread #5 out (FINALLY!! - spoilers)

While the issue had a few things I was hoping it wouldn't (a large focus on Superboy-Prime and more loud, short-tempered Garth), I still found myself hooked. Little things that made my day included having Tellus and Quislet confirmed to still be 'in continuity' and having the whole UP shut up to listen to Brande.

I took the group shots of the two Legions as being an overview of the teams as well. Even if everyone shows up next issue despite the fact they never served together (especially so many of the rebooters) I won't mind.

Also, I'm surprised it took me a second reading to realize one of the ambassadors was from Taltar. Man-hating and all. Good stuff and good book, in my opinion.

Interesting story. So Johns purposely made the character difficult to take seriously.

I'm not feeling the genious. lol

Some of the touches I liked:

1) Superboy Prime referring to reading the Legion as boy on Earth Prime. Nice reminder of where he came from and what that used to mean.

2) I laughed when Superboy Prime made his comment about the new costumes. It was a defintie nod to those of us who have been complaining about them.

3) Jimmy's next visual shows Tyroc, Quislet, and Tellus, all of whom were missing from the statues in Superman's fortress, if I recall correctly. Nice little bit of clean up work. Chemical King is still unaccounted for.

4) Myg's reference to the "bile between Chameleon Girl and Shrinking Violet". I'm glad this was brought out. It wasn't referred to in the Action storyline, and it was major sticking point for me in accepting this team as a continuation of the Levitz team.

AHHH such a good book!!! i'm so happy reading it!!! AHHH.

remember in 5YG when there were those pages with dirk facing the viewer and the panels changing around him? anyone thing that scene of him was reference to that or is it just a coincidence of "dramatic sad layout" panelling?

you know, i didn't really care about perez's art until i saw him draw the different legions in different styles. WOW can he draw a cute lyle! coloring was here and there, but i was impressed by perez storytelling in hte panels, everything was laid out VERY VERY clearly, i was never confused, everything made sense, everyone's body language was SUPERB. i still don't personally like how he default draws faces but his work in this made me understand why he's considered a really SOLID artist technically speaking. AMAZINGLY consistent! amazing attention to detail on his and johns' parts. man, perez, draw in that cute, simplified, style more often!!!

AHHH so many parts had me freaking out, it was so good! i'm so happy!! and the garth cover? TOTALLY SWEET.

By the way, some oft asked questions about about continuity and the Action Legion:
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Well, it looks liks bizarre transformation Jimmy Olsen is completely back...I didn't get the impression he was referring only to his countdown transformations when he was recapping.

And Chemical King and Tellus are back as well.

So those two questions have been answered...at least partially with Jimmy Olsen and his honorary Legionaire status.

Jury is still out on Supergirl, Insect Queen etc but so far I haven't see anything definite. I don't think the writing of Busiek(Insect Queen) and the Supergirl team from Countdown(KK and DD didn't recognize SG) as being cannon...I think Johns will easily overwrite that stuff if he wants to do so.


I remain extremely curious about just who is going to replace SG in the Action Legion...I have a feeling Johns is saving that for later.

I really don't think it's about what is there with the continuity...it's about what isn't there.


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You are right about those guys being missing from the statues in the LS...I think it was just a screwup, or maybe a lack of space.

I could have sworn I saw Chemical King in there as well...but I could have mistook ME Lad for him. I'll check it again. Are Ferro Lad and Invisible Kid in there? They may be omitting the dead Legionaires.

Myg sure has turned into an ahole hasn't he?

ALSO.... <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">*sobs happily* I AM SERIOUSLY IN LOVE WITH HOLOOLSEN ;___;!!! ahhh te UP meeting room is SO COOL LOOKING. that must have been so hard to draw @__@!! check out the robot behind the coluan ambassador. btw, i hope querl punches that guy in the face. </span></span> whatever-johns-writes IS MY FAVORITE LEGION ;_;

Yes Myg has and I don't like it or find it particularly believable. What a way to wast a character.

I don't find it hard to take him seriously, he's got a very real personality if you ask me. In fact he might have the most real personality of any character in comics. I think it's funny but I guess that's just me. Granted...he has gone over the edge and is insane.


What I think is great is that he's a comic book fan from Earth Prime before the Crisis, so he remembers everything the way it was before Crisis, and he generally destroys stuff for not being like it was in the comics that he read as a kid. That's why he does what he does.


Maybe not...but he seems to be a really strong sales draw, so Johns must be doing something right with him.

Chemical King actually has a cameo, along with Ferro Lad and Invisible Kid I, in the museum behind Jimmy when he's first discussing Takron-Galtos.

Myg reminded me of his old self back when he first appeared. Not sure what to make of him yet, if we even see him again in this arc. He looks like he's aged a bit.

Andromeda!!! but a little nitpicky....she is not that tall! she is supposed to be the tallest Legionnaire! nonetheless, it was so good to see her not in sisterly nunnery. whew.

Nice catch, and after that cameo I went looking for others...there's also a cameo by Comet the Superhorse when Jimmy first mentions the LSV.


True...I notice that while Myg looks older, most of the Legionaires look much younger than they did during the Action arc. Mon-El looks really young.


It's awesome that Mon-El is back too :elephant dance

so WAS that CK or was that matter eater lad....?

The statue next to Tellus is ME Lad after looking at it again. But like Future pointed out, CK does make a cameo with Ferro Lad and Invisible Kid later in the book.

I couldn't wait 2 months, so I downloaded it so I can at least talk to you guys...

First, the good stuff:

- Tons of stuff happening, just like in Final Crisis and GOOD Legion stories (such as Levitz/Giffen, TMK's and Shooter's). George Pérez knows how to do it like nobody else.
- It's clearly an entry-level book and quite frankly able to give a good idea on the concept of Legion of Super-Heroes. Kudos to Johns to his use of the Superman Museum for that. I can see lots of goodies to be noticed there such as <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Kingdom Come Superman and a figure I don't remember - is it from Kamandi?</span></span>.
- The book is all set before Crisis, in my opinion. There seems to have some sort of rip between v2 9 and 13 for this particular line of time to have happened. At the same time, there are some open possibilities in there (like <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">when Superman says he met all Legions a long time ago , though this is yet to be explained, and the retcon of the original Legion never having Superboy, but Superman instead.</span></span>)
- Brek's arm is explained.
- Johns has also brought politics back to the Legion (like Shooter) in a mature way (not like Waid).

What I don't like:

- Superboy-Prime is a lousy, lousy character. Overused to death, in fact. He is Ambush Bug material, especially for whining so much. Legion is supposed to deal with royal bastards like TT and LSV. So, it's not all lost.
- Where in hell is 5YG??? Don't retcon it out: let it be a different timeline!
- If they knew about other Legions, there is nothing to stop bringing 52 Legions. Or does it?
- Following someone up there, <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">if the Time Trapper can do that to Leland, why can't he do that to Superman???</span></span>

Overall, a very good and solid start. I can happily deal with two Legion books a month. And I can enjoy them both for different reasons. L3W is completely old-school. LSH is the new flavor. Now I am just missing the experimental LSH to be a satisfied man.

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">I actually think that first meeting of all 3 Legions is going to be tied into this story. Superman is referencing a comment from the Lightning Saga about how all 3 Legions met when they were kids in an Adventure called the Legion of 3 Worlds that no one fully remembers. Since Superman mentions it again in this issue, it looks like that Legion of 3 Worlds story is in continuity, and since this story is called the Legion of 3 Worlds...I sense a multiple era crossover. I don't think this crossver is just going to be crossing over 3 Legion now, I don't think it's just going to be crossing over different versions of the Legion, I think it's going to be crossing over different eras of those versions.

Even if that original L3W Adventure isn't tied into this one...then it's just a classic untold story of the Legion, like the Legion's first meeting with Mordru, a still untold tale of the Legion.


As for the Legion first meeting Clark Kent and not Superboy...that still has more to do with the Siegel Litigation than a continuity snafu. That litigation is due to be resolved in late September...I'm willing to bet that might have something to do with why issue #2 has been pushed back to October...there may be pages and names that can be used if that ruling is favorable to DC, and that can't be used if it isn't. But that is definitely about the litigation IMO.

Notice how they still don't use the name Superboy by itself in this story. They only say Superboy Prime, and when they are about to call Conner Kent Superboy it ends at the b in boy. Even Superman, they don't say Prime looks like him when he was Superboy, or younger, they say Prime looks like Superman "used" to look. That stuff is definitely legal hoop jumping.

So is the fact that they show adult Pete Ross and Lana Lang...not the teen versions. The rights to the teen versions of those characters are said to be tied into the rights of the Superboy character.

It's definitely legal manuevering there.

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Adored by the very people he was designed to make fun of? Interesting. I'm not seeing what is attracting them to the character and probably don't want to, it would most likely lower my opinion....

He kind of always was wasn't he, rough upbringing at all? I don't recall him being anything but? Maybe I'm confusing him with Dragonmage...

For me, Myg was one of the more interesting depictions in this issue, at first I thought it was KK. Just not sure why he specifically was chosen for this role so I would expect we'll get backstory on that next issue. Maybe Giffen bribed Johns to put him in the story and kill him.


Oh yeah, and Jimmy Olsen? Never liked him.

My review is up, by the way:

http://legionabstract.blogspot.com/2008/08/final-crisis-legion-of-3-worlds-1.html

Nice reflection as always Matthew E. I didn't get the same vibe as you did but liked reading the viewpoint.

Perfectly written Brainy: "You know, I could've just turned it off!"

Question? Anyone else's issue have panels like they have a slight whitewash over them? I'm wondering if colors are muted on mine alone or if there was intention to make it look older?

Polar Boy's arm? Do we know why it lives?

Can we get a bit more loving for RJ here? I mean come-on, where's the anger, the angst, the rightious indignation, the sadness?

This murder should have hit harder particularly to long time readers. I'd imagine your average not glued to the message boards newer Supes reader is saying, "what's the big deal," but long time readers should be feeling some pain?

Yeah, me neither. Maybe in the second issue... A little set up (and IMO a bit less over the top blood) to remind us how much we love RJ might have gone a long way towards making that scene effective for me though it still would have come off to me like an artistic ego-stroke. If the main stream writer had done it, it more likely would have struck me as "in-continuity" and "real." This being a one-shot story about Superman.... seem cheap to e for the writer to take claim to what would normally be an epic event in Legion lore.

Truth, justice and the American way. Inspired by the three, I like when Legion's mythos is raised in the DC but what is left of Ma and Pa Kent's role in this re-imagining? They were the reason Supes was honest, fair, saw his role as protector of the underdog and liked apple pie and baseball. And does this (or any) Legion give didly about the "American" way?

Thanks.

My take on it is, he's manifested himself a new arm out of pure coldness. The coldness creates ice particles to give it some solidity, but the arm itself is not made of ice, or it would be rigid. Since the coldness is created by Polar Boy's will, he can use it to wear the flight ring.

Future, good catch on Chemical King. I think that means all of pre crisis members have been accounted for.

One little gripe. If they can fix Jarth, surely they can fix Kinetix and de-terrorform her. I certainly wouldn't complain. Just explain it off as her losing all that damned hypertaxis energy.

And SB-Prime... I love to hate him.

Well far be it from me to enlighten you then.


What I will say is this concerning his viability as a character...I think it's a very realistic portrayal of a near onimotent teen whose reality was destroyed. It's at least as realistic as one going through the same events and coming out of it comepletely altruistic...and it's not like they are painting him as a hero either.

Ya know this is why I love it here. You guys have pretty much stated all I was going to say and all the " faults" I had with the story. My only problem is the at everything looked ..well Dark. the colors looked kinda almost muted like Almost cloudy at times. I don't know if it's because things ap peared brighter on the screen and I just got used to that or what. I don't know either way I cannot , and don't want to but I know i have to, wait till October..Dammit all DC gimmie my Book now!

Also..YAY XS I've missed her. Yeah I know i know one page so far, but still dammit. I heart XS!

Wasn't she shunk down to like 5'4" by the Anywhere Machine?