Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Adventure Comics #11/514: Preview/Discussion (Spoilers!)

Preview over at Newsarama

Personally, I detest this storyline as it pretty much invalidates most of the established continuity that it's trying to "restore." Can't wait for this to be over.

As long as it's over and Gates (No Robinson? What, he can't even finish this mess that he's been building to for over a year now?) leaves all the pieces on the board where Paul can pick them up, I'll be happy to forget all about this and get back to enjoying the Legion.

I've enjoyed some of the Legion appearances in this very long story in the Superman books. The brief moments that Gates has gotten to play with the characters have been a lot of fun. And Robinson, who I've kind of soured on lately, has told some excellent stories with Mon-El.

But I have taken issue with the Last Stand story which was originally called "Brainiac and the Legion of Super-Heroes". The Legion weren't as much of a focus as advertised. I think it was a mistake on DC's part to link this crossover to Levitz's return in the announcement.

And I too look forward to the whole Legion reuniting under Levitz's new run. I'm really excited about next week's first issue.

Long live the Legion!

I'm still excited for Paul's first issue but, like Nightcrawler, I cannot wait for this dud of a story to be over.

The story has meandered and felt disjointed.

Perhaps what happened to Robinson's story is similar to what happened to Shooter's story.

Very likely. At least the last issue before the Legionnaires left New Krypton had more than one of them speaking and contributing to things.

I'm wondering about the 'sacrifice'... is it Mon-el sacrificing his 21st century DCU existence?

Is the statue a tribute for saving the bottled cities, possibly?

What exactly is this going to invalidate? I won't know since I have no plans to buy it, and this sounds like it might affect the continuity list.

Just from the preview, it looks like they're screwing up Durla pretty badly.

And of course the real headache of where the heck 247 M'onel comes from still hasn't been dealt with. Obviously Valor's out on New Earth, but then how did he end up on Earth 247. Is he from their past? Does this mean that a lot of the 90's Superboy series took place there? So now Superboy's past is fractured? Oh boy.

Where did the whole reboot T20 storyline take place, for that matter? Final Night?

Okay, I'll have to ask again:

-- In what way are they screwing up Durla?

-- "Valor's out on New Earth"? I'm not sure I understand this. It's obvious that the existence of reboot Valor on New Earth has been retconned away--if it wasn't, Mon-El would have been constantly told "hey, you remind me of that Valor guy from a few years ago". Besides, we get the problems you mentioned: why would he be from 247's past but end up on New Earth, and then back to 247's future?

-- I never read the 90's Superboy series and have no idea how this impacts it. I thought Valor/M'onel was only in one story and that it was pretty much just an excuse to introduce him. It didn't sound like the story would affect Kon-El much.

-- I have no idea what "T20" is.

Final Night is a good question, though. I would assume that some version of it happened with the current LSH, and that anything we saw with the reboot has been retconned away. I wasn't under the impression that Valor was important to the current DC Earth or that eliminating him would really have much effect.

I used to be able to keep up with all the continuity problems, but it is too much the hydra. For those who are trying to keep us apprised, thank you.

Neither do I. Perhaps the Encyclopedia Galactica could have a file on LW jargon.

T20 = Team 20 = the whole year and half long story where half the Legion was stuck in the 20th century.

The Durla problem is that traditionally R.J./Cham are depicted as coming from Durla, which was largely a wasteland due the "six-minute war" or whatever.

The preview suggests that they actually come from "New Durla", which isn't the world destroyed by the war.

Hmm, having their ancestor be on New Durla while they're on Durla isn't really impossible. There is 1000 years of time in which they could have renamed the planet, or their family could have moved to Durla (Durlans are described as being nomadic in this story after all).

I'll add it, though.

Also, any continuity problems that happened because of 20th/21st century stories from the reboot era were already problems during the threeboot. It's not really fair to refer to them as if they're new problems that happened with the return of the original LSH--Final Night was already a continuity hole during the threeboot, it's just that nobody addressed it back then.

Hold up here...not even talking about Legion of superheroes history, this screws up L.E.G.I.O.N.'S

rj was the durlan to Dox. who got time displaced into the legion's time. Ren at this point has not only left durla, but has been sent to Future when Phase was shot back

The Phase/Durlan swap was TMK-era. So while it's a problem, it's a problem that LEGION has had during the entire duration of two full reboots already without solving it. It's not a new problem.

OK, spinning wildly off topic, but let me get bit more in detail about M'onel/Valor.

In the reboot timeline, Valor supposedly does all his LEGION stuff, seeds the worlds, gets poisoned, Superboy shunts him to the Stasis Zone and then pulls him out with the LSH in the future. He becomes M'onel to avoid his legendary Valor name and later Superboy comes forward in time again during the whole Foundations run up until the end of the reboot.

So now in the new timeline, Valor never existed, so the LEGION stuff's in the air, the latest story is a half-assed attempt to cover the world seeding, but the Superboy stories seem to be out, but then how did he interact with the rebooters without Valor as the catalyst? Even more perplexing, if Superboy never stuffed him in the Stasis Zone, who the heck did the rebooters pull out, because as of Lo3Wm they still have M'onel running around.

I guess the same question can be asked of Threeboot Mon-el, where the heck did he come from if Earth Prime doesn't have a Super family to stuff him in the Phantom Zone (and where did the Kandorians come from for that matter).

Yeah, I agree that those are all problems, but my point is that they're not new problems. The reboot Valor became a problem as soon as the threeboot started. So did Final Night, etc. The only one of those that's a new problem is the threeboot Mon-El.

I seriously doubt that that is in the current timeline.
1. The switch didn't take place until sometime during or just after the 5yr. gap.
2. Glorith was destroyed by the Time Trapper in the original Legion timeline.
3. No Glorith, no switch, at least, the way it was originally shown in dotLEGION.

The Durla/New Durla issue is a non-issue to me, very small in the over all sceme of things.
We've known that this isn't really the original Legion since Lo3Ws, really.

It's closer than the others and we'll just have to adjust.
Or not.
But it will be more fun, if we do.

but that doesn't cover what happened to DOX's durlan. if that never happened then how did phase get here?


Candle i think i just going to do just that im just going to roll with it and try not get let my self get to angry when do storys like this where they 'fix things'

Weren't Durlans originally supposed to have become shapeshifters because of a nuclear-esque war on their homeworld, which was said to have happened 'centuries ago?'

And then Invasion explicitly made it clear that this Durlan war had happened pre-20th century. (Making it more like 'millenia ago.')

Now the xenophobic Durlans don't even have a homeworld, but live scattered around on other planets, disguised as the natives, and, thanks to Legion of Three Worlds, it seems that the orange-tentacle-head humanoid is now their 'true form' instead of the green tentacle-monsters in purple robes?

Someone needs to make a story bible for these chuckleheads, so that new writers quit reinventing the wheel, over and over, retelling completely contradictory versions of stories that better writers than they have already written.

We wouldn't have needed a Crisis on Infinite Earths 'to straighten things out,' and two decades of backpedaling away from CoIE, and multiple crossovers to 'fix' things, if the writers weren't too lazy to research the characters they had accepted assignments to write. Sloppy.

Write new stories, and stop attempting to 'fix' continuity by breaking it even more.

I believe it was pinned down as roughly two millenia, based on the Val/Jeckie wedding (where several members are tossed back into time and meet Durlans shortly after the war).

For awhile at least (Levitz era), their "true form" was supposed to be unknown, while different tribes adopted different body types as their semi-permanent forms.

Agreed on the serious need for a story bible. How hard is it for DC editorial to have a folder containing all of the basic information about Durlans, and for somebody to borrow that folder whenever they want to write something about Durlans? Heck, they could download cmk's Legion Help File, and it would save a lot of headaches.

The problem with Durlan history is that everything can change.