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Re: Legion costumes - rants!
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Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid: While I have no problem with the costumes, it's weird.
I hear people complain about the outfits. Then I hear them complain about the characterization. It makes me wonder how Johns' Legion stories are getting such good reviews. Easy. He's Geoff Johns, savior of DC. It's like Amway. Repeat it enough and you believe it. (Sorry Amway people).
Long Live all them Legions!
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Little thought that came my way when I was thinking about if Garth, Rokk, and Imra were in Trinity. With the way Garth and Imra look now, Garth with his whole stubble thing and Imra's short hair, anyone wonder what it would look like if they dressed as Batman and Catwoman?
Yes, my imagination works like that. Believe it or not.
(But no Joel Schumacher! And I don't care if I misspelled the name, that man doesn't deserve the correction!)
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Originally posted by Arm Fall Off Boy: Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid: [b] While I have no problem with the costumes, it's weird.
I hear people complain about the outfits. Then I hear them complain about the characterization. It makes me wonder how Johns' Legion stories are getting such good reviews. Easy. He's Geoff Johns, savior of DC. It's like Amway. Repeat it enough and you believe it. (Sorry Amway people). [/b]I can agree with this to a point. Everyone seems happy for the *potential* inherent in what Johns is doing. Regardless of what he has done already and is doing now, the Action Legion has momentum, prominence, and the potential to have really fun adventures. Plus, I think everyone is happy to have an action-heavy Legion in the wake of Mark Waid's severely action-weak run.
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I know we've commented on Gary Frank's new uniforms before, but with a new series about to debut (and those stomach-churning outfits still very much in evidence), I think the rags the Legion are currently wearing bear discussion.
Hopefully, the new artist has some costume-design skills --- because the Legion looks about as worse than they ever have in history -- maybe even worse than those drab gray uniforms they wore in the Giffen run.
Okay, one or two of the new outfits aren't horrible -- the best (IMHO) are those worn by Polar Boy and Dawnstar. Phantom Girl's isn't offensive -- that's the best I can say for it. Wildfire's transparent suit is kinda cool, but I don't think Drake would want to wear something that underscore the fact that he's energy in a suit (I'm sure it makes Dawnstar's stomach curdle when she sees all that energy).
Just about everything else is butt ugly though --too many unnecessary additions and colors. And what's with Imra's butch do? Ayla and Brin had some great outfits in the 70s and 80s -- and even in the W/K series -- what a step backward these new clothes are. I wish GF had let well enough alone -- and just used the outfits shown in the Lightning Saga -- but he didn't. I know changing costumes for a team the size of the Legion can be confusing, but maybe new outfits can be introduced gradually.
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Shady might as well be nude! And did Lydda really need hooterholes where her hooter's eyes are?
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I like Imra with short hair. I've seen enough impractical flowing locks on comic book females to last me this lifetime and the one after it.
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I wouldn't mind Imra with short hair -- if it didn't look so butch and unstyled. It looks like she just started hacking it off. Hmmm... maybe there is a story there.
But her outfit is just so clunky with the knee pads and such. I'd like to see a modern, streamlined design. Something else else that says cool future not Mad Max.
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There was no need to change Jo's classic costume!
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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: There was no need to change Jo's classic costume! Well certainly not to the current multi-colored, sleeveless mess.
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The Frank designs are some of my favourite-ever Legion costumes.
Even the ones I didn't initially like (Wildfire, Shrinking Violet, a couple of others) have really grown on me.
IMO they're all a perfect blend of their traditional/more famous outfits and a more interesting/futuristic design. I love all the hints of colour and busy lines all over the place.
They must be hell to draw though.
The only one I don't like is Sensor Girl's which was obviously designed by some inferior artist in order to bring it in line with Frank's signiature look for the rest of the team. Why they bothered with her and not the rest of the 21st century team though, I don't know.
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Originally posted by MLLASH: Shady might as well be nude! And did Lydda really need hooterholes where her hooter's eyes are? Ahem. Just what is the problem with Hooter Holes?
Damn you, you kids! Get off my lawn or I'm callin' tha cops!
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Originally posted by rickshaw1: Ahem. Just what is the problem with Hooter Holes? You can't see the nipples. That's the darn problem!
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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: There was no need to change Jo's classic costume! I would agree, but I liked the Immonen version in the 5YL books.
Active LMB character is still Beast Boy.
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I actually really liked Giffen's idea of putting Jo in a leather jacket!
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Originally posted by Set: Originally posted by rickshaw1: Ahem. Just what is the problem with Hooter Holes? You can't see the nipples. That's the darn problem!Perhaps, like bare-breasted reboot Legionnaires Sensor and Kinetix, she doesn't have any!
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I don't mind Imra's look too much...back in the day when the Time Trapper gave her a nasty haircut she kinda rocked the short hair look a bit - and I kind of like the adjustment to her costume as well.
I like Wildfire's new LOOK, I just don't think I like it ON WILDFIRE. I'm with kcekada about him not wanting his energy self being all on display like that...unless he has moved to a point where he is okay with himself as an energy being now, which might be a decent character evolution actually..
But in general I don't really like the costumes. I HATE Polar Boy's ice hair and arm, as well as the new togs for Cos, Garth and Ayla, Dawnstar, Brainy...a lot of it I think is trying to fix what wasn't broke in the first place...
So yeah, I am hoping they have some costume redesigns too soon...
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I actually like some of the flourishes and "trim" on Imra's costumes and others. Left to my own devices, I generally prefer simple, streamlined designs. Still, I've never liked every costume from every era and I find most of these to be pretty okay. As usual, I'm just sick of all the T&A on display from female characters, though. That's nothing new.
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razsolo just reminded me that I hate Polar Boy's ice hair too! Really, really hate it. Is that a Frank thing though? I feel like I remember seeing Lightle or someone draw him with ice hair too. I don't like that Chlorophyll Kid's hair has gone from blond to brown either but that's kinda a minor thing (like all the rest of our complaints aren't ). I normally hate T&A in my comics too but I'm not really seeing the evidence of it with these costumes that everyone else is seeming to. Let's see, which femmes are showing skin - Dawnstar - that's nothing new. And if anything her Frank costume reveals LESS skin than her original did. Night Girl - I love the owl cut-outs. They're not that big are they? And am I getting her confused with Laurel Kent or did Lydda not once wear a much more skimpy outfit than this one? Shadow Lass - this is one of my least favourite of Frank's designs so I'd have no problem if they were to change it up a bit. But it's hardly out of character for Tasmia to be wearing next to nothing as her outfit. At least she's legal now. Remember those few bits of dental floss and a button up crotch protector that Lightle had the Reboot Umbra in? THAT was tasteless! Phantom Girl - Well this is fairly tame by super-hero standards isn't it? And not much more revealing than her 'traditional' outfit. This is another one I'm not in love with though so power to them if they want to change it up. Is there anyone I'm missing? Four moderate examples of T&A doesn't seem to be much to get worked up about.
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I preferred Lightle's Polar Boy with shiny headplate (all Merlin-from-Excalibur-esque) to the spiky ice-hair (I think that was a Giffen addition, actually).
Lydda has indeed worn much, much less, as has Imra, for that matter.
My real quibble would be the lack of variety. I'm not offended by boobholes (or bare arms on the guys), I'm just annoyed at how many of them have started showing up (and, in Sensor Girl's case, in a ridiculous places, since her costume covered every inch of her skin), as if it's the new default Legion costume.
I don't like the Legion in uniforms, but all mixed up, reflecting the styles of a dozen worlds, some of which, like the Talokkians, apparently are quite liberating, others of which, like the Daxamites, are quite staid.
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I'm with set with wanting variety. In fact, I like the idea of Legionnaires wearing "costumes" that are more like standard examples of ordinary clothing on whatever planet they come from.
I don't mind the ice-hair on Polar Boy nearly as much as the ice-arm.
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Add to inane threads ideas;
What else was ripped off of Polar Boy and has been replaced with ice?
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Hmmm... maybe the ice hair is meant to cover up the fact that he's actually going bald?
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The worst isn't a Frank costume. The worst is Mon-El's Something else else-Like Superman costume.
So what.
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Polar Boy's hair is from Lightle and Laroque, it's not a Frank thing.
In regards to 'sexiness' and skin, all of the females wore less clothing in the 70's. Not that its relative to what people who dislike TnA are saying; but its an interesting observation.
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Really, Cobie? When I take into account the Spears Virus and how it's infected pretty much every comic book out there, I have a hard time believing that.
Not that it matters, I guess. The whole dissymetry of it is just effing tiresome to me.
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