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"Charles In Charge," "Family Matters" and "Sabrina, the Teenage Witch?" That's a bit mind-boggling. Surely they could also have found a place for a Tina Yothers appearance.
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How adorable is Cham w/those big,sad puppydog eyes?
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Originally posted by lil'rhino: How adorable is Cham w/those big,sad puppydog eyes? Yeah, he's great! One of my faves in the cartoon.
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Dang it! I felt sure that this was the episode where Saturn Girl would finally wake up from that all too convenient coma of hers. Who knows..maybe she'll help Cham "remember" who he is, kind of like the thing with Timber Wolf in the first season. One can only hope. *crosses fingers*
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LSH written by DeMatteis, how cool is that?
So what.
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Originally posted by matlock: "Charles In Charge," "Family Matters" and "Sabrina, the Teenage Witch?" That's a bit mind-boggling. Surely they could also have found a place for a Tina Yothers appearance. Haven't you heard that those bratlings want less girls, not more...
Exnihil: Novelty, if he had a power, the obvious one to me would of course be "The Power of Grayskull"
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Originally posted by duck458: LSH written by DeMatteis, how cool is that? If DeMatteis is near, can Dr. Mayvale be far behind?
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Originally posted by Novelty: Originally posted by matlock: [b]"Charles In Charge," "Family Matters" and "Sabrina, the Teenage Witch?" That's a bit mind-boggling. Surely they could also have found a place for a Tina Yothers appearance. Haven't you heard that those bratlings want less girls, not more... [/b]I just thought of a solution to the writer's strike. Fire all of the consultants and their focus groups, and use the savings to pay the writers.
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Not my favorite episode.
<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Why didn't Brainy just implant Persuader with his nano-thingies? Why send Cham at all? The mind layering seemed an altogether unneccessary risk. Hmmm. Should we be suspicious of Querl's sanity? His expression when he commented about everyone's possible evil potential was disquieting. If the presence of a Legionnaire as a spy was required, for some reason we weren't told, why couldn't Cham observe as a literal fly on the wall? This could've been an Espionage Squad episode-- with Invisible Kid's debut or a good role for Phantom Girl or Shrinking Violet.</span></span>
Kudos for the Ron Karr stuff. I never thought I'd care about *that* particular character a bit! Success there. I'm now curious about his future.
Once past the shaky underpinnings, the conflict and character moments were quite interesting. Simplistic, at times, but engaging. The second inflitration was a surprise and made the episode. Again with the girl-free cast. Boo! Damn those focus groups.
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I agree, this wasn't a great episode, and the complete lack of girls was annoying.
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Echoing Mystery Lad. Never gave Ron Karr much thought before this. In the comics he's always been pretty much a blank slate, background filler, it's nice to see the series exploring little used characters for their tales. We've always said the Legion had a rich field of characters and situations to exploit for story material and it seems the writers here are having fun with it. Hooray!
Imperiex is still a two dimensional cliche but at long last Ron Karr isn't. Though to be fair there's nothing in the toon today to say the villain specifically had to be Ron Karr. It could just as easily been Chameleon Chief, the reboot's Composite Legionnaire or (heck) it could even have been a White Martian.
It's a good episode but not this season's best. I'd really like to hear what die hard Chameleon Boy fans think about this one.
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I enjoyed this episode. the stuff about identity was interesting. I especially liked the mirror scene with cham and Ron Karr.
and speaking of Ron Karr. that was a moment I did not anticipate. nicely done.
T-Wolf and Ron Karr. it was a bit distracting because the voices were obviously the same. but hey voice acting can't be an easy gig.
Imperiex: hey buddy, in the lowly 21st century we already have Multiple Independent Reentry Vehicle. or MIRVs. oh well, maybe like landlines they are considered obsolete.
one complaint. were were the Durlan defense forces? no quick visit to mom and dad? I wanted to see more of Durla.
no view of next week. I guess they weren't far enough ahead to escape the writer's strike huh?
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If anyone thought my calling the alleged phasing out of the LSH lasses a "prolem worsening with every episode" after last week's non-speaking cameos-only roles for the ladies was unwarranted hyperbole, I give you this week's episode and rest my case.
The episode was disappointing all around for me.
I did get a brief Grell-flashback during the "Supes picks up Brainy with one hand while about to punch him with the other" scene.
I guess I'll focus my attention on the LSH 31C comic, which I still love, until the cartoon ditches the bratling focus groups.
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I'm also dissapointed that we did not see more of Durla. Is the animated version anything like the 8-second war version of the Levitz/Giffin era? We may never know.
Not a big fan of Brainy as Metron in his Moebeus chair. I also wish Saturn Girl had done the mind wipe instead of Brainy. It's a natural extension of her powers, although it could have provided drama as a new effort for her, with resultant personal trauma when she proved unable to put Cham back the way she found him.
I don't mind Ronn-Kar being a shape shifter, instead of having his trandisional Flat Lad powers. However, being as he is obviously NOT Durlan, I expected some explanation of how/where his powers came from. Perhaps in this version, he SHOULD be a Durlan, which, again, would have added some extra drama over whether or not he would be willing to destroy his own homeworld for Imperiex.
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This episode definitely didn't do it for me. It seemed too plot-heavy and very busy and disjointed. And what was up with Brainy doing an impersonation of Metron and his chair? That just seemed to be thrown into episode as something that would look cool.
So are we not getting any new episodes for November sweeps? I thought the entire season was already in the can.
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Hey! I have an idea for an episode! Saturn Girl, Shrinking Violet, Phantom Girl, Duo Damsel and Dream Girl can take on the Fraternity Of Criminals Under Sixteen (FOCUS) and whip their whiny, girl-hating butts.
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Yes, it's weird that they're not utilizing the girls, but that didn't ruin the episode for me. In fact, I found it exciting and interesting.
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I found it exciting, too, and I liked the spotlight on Cham, but can someone there please get, I don't know, maybe a second opinion on the focus groups?
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Ditto. I enjoyed the episode, and loved the switcheroo with Superman. I thought Imperiex trusting Persuader with vital info 5 days in was fishy, but I did not see the Ronn-Karr switch coming.
But if we get three more in a row without the ladies...
I mean, come on. Tinya's only appeared in two so far, but Cos has shown up in three, and he's not even part of the "core". And they went and made Lu Duo Damsel, but that hasn't been followed up on yet.
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I liked this episode a lot and i seem to get fonder of Chameleon boy every time i see the character in a new episode. I missed the lady legionnares but hopefully we'll see them again in the next new episode after the reruns.
I never noticed Ron Karr much before but he got some nice moments here. I liked that they made him to have simular powers as Cham to give him more of an edge. I don't mind changes if they're well done.
Imperiex should consider getting a PR man, i mean first Mekt leaves his army and now Ron Karr? Heh.
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Very exciting episode. Many twists and turns, a good balance between characterization and action, a visually beautiful episode. Ronn-Kar was a plus and the music was exquisite!
Still, it seems they've taken the title Legion of Super-Heroes a little too literally. Where's the Legion of Super-Heroines? The complete lack of girls didn't spoil the episode for me, but their absence is getting a bit "loud".
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I applaud J.M. DeMatteis for attempting to bring existentialism to Saturday morning kid's TV. This effort wasn't as successful as his first, "Cry Wolf", but it's nothing to be sneered at, imo. I enjoyed it -- more than the Karate Kid episode, in fact -- with a couple of reservations. First, I couldn't figure out when the Superman/Ronn-Karr switch was made until I rolled it back a few times. The key revelation that it happened during the fight on Imperiex's ship (when the Legion rescued Cham/Persauader) went by so fast and was so slurred, I missed it. I can't be the only one. I'm happy Superman-X got some of his edgy impatience back in this episode, but the "real" Superman is deteriorating into a one-dimensional Boy Scout with every episode. Cham was supposed to the "Eddie Haskell" of the group -- here he behaved like The Beaver (when he wasn't being the Persuader). Timber Wolf and Lightning Lad are fierce and effective soldiers, but when they speak, it's mainly for exposition purposes and very little of their unique personalities shine through. I especially miss the wiseass Garth of Season 1, and I almost wished asshat Cosmic Boy was there to shake things up. At least Brainy looked cool and slightly sinister in the Metron chair. I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't want the characters becoming too "nice" or idealized and lose the internal conflict that makes team dynamics so interesting. It goes without saying they are poorer for the absence of the girls to play against, for the lack of romantic tension if nothing else. Ronn-Karr becoming the second villain to go good in the last three episodes (Mekt being the first) is also a tad worrisome to folks like me who love the bad guys as much as the heroes, so I hope the trend ends here. Having said all that, it was still the most enjoyable thing I watched on TV this week. I still can't get over the absolute thrill of seeing the Legion of Super-Heroes on the small screen.
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