Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes The LSH in the DC ENCYCLOPEDIA...

Not familiar with that story. Was it in the first 25 or so issues of the previous series? I've never gone back and read those or Legionnaires even though I do have the issues.

Dude, you're kidding me! The first couple of years of the reboot were the best of the entire era!! Go back and read them now! Planet Hell was early in the reboot IIRC, one of the teams first missions.

Spotted another one. Magno's role with the Legion is not "undetermined, if he has one." Dyrk joined the Science Police.

I just wish there was at least a TPB that contained those earlier issues. Maybe I can bring my electronic copies to work and start reading them on my lunch break.

I think there is. Doesn't The Future of TOmorrow tpb cllect teh first few issues of the reboot?

The "Beginning of Tomorrow", as I believe it's called, collects through the Planet Hell storyline, I think.

These really are the best issues of the reboot, and some of the best Legion stories ever published, imo, even if in retrospect they sowed the seeds for many of the major problems that would eventually spell the decline of the reboot.

I just picked up a copy of that about a month or so ago. I'll have to see if that story is included.

Come to think of it, shouldn't that include some of Waid's work?

Yeah, Waid was at least co-plotter on all of those, and he was scripting at least one of the books at the time (maybe both, I don't remember when Peyer came on board).

I tend to think that, if you ook back at some of those stories, you will find themes that are likely to be re-introduced in the new era.

Chief among them, and authoritarian socirty in which the Science Police actually police the use of science.

I would expect the characterizations of many members to fall close to their early reboot counterparts.

Already we see a corrolation between the overly eager to please Colossal Boy and the overly eager to prove himself Leviathan.

That's a good point, PB. It'll be intersting to compare the two when the new #1 hits.

I have nothing much else to add, really. I just want to thank Gary for the work he put into this.

(Though I agree with whoever said the Captain Comet entry was cool. Looks like someone at DC may actually like the guy.)

Now they're done. Hopefully Scott can clean some up. If not I may try to do a few over again. If there's an entry I missed that should be there, let me know.

I have some thoughts to add, but I'll do it later.

Thanks for taking the time to post all of the those, Gary! I'm surprised Magno and the White Witch got entires...and am horrified to see the image they chose for XS (though it IS a good one, I just don't like seeing her bogged down with all that gear).

Looks like the data on most of these later entries are all postboot-relevant, save for people like Polar Boy or the Wanderers who obviously can't be.

BARF! What friggin moron chose *THAT* picture of Gim?!? That's the ugliest drawing of him I have ever seen! God, and there were so many good ones they could have picked too... Ugh!

After seeing that (and just the whole general weird, hotch-potch of Legion continuities they've gone with here) I don't think I'm in quite the rush to get this thing as I had been.

... And just to add my voice to a few of the other ones on here - the first few years of the reboot were *excellent* IMO! I must have read and reread those stories at least half a dozen times. If you've only read them the once DL then you should definitely give them another shot to see just how good this comic was at the beginning. It starts to go bad not long after the 'Chu-sting' story (specifically 'Emerald Violet'!) but the 2 years before that were full of top-notch writing and art. I still miss what this team could have been.

I actually got my book in today. So maybe I can get the scanner working this weekend and clean up some of Gary's scans.

Okay.

First, what's there. I think it's obvious that most of the images are just poorly chosen. Andromeda in her generic duds. Kinetix, of all of her incarnations, they chose the zombie? As mentioned earlier Leviathan has his Planet Hell goggles. And of course, XS's added baggage.

Brainiac 5.1?!?

What's missing, post-boot. The Good guys - Chuck Taine, Gear, & Shikari. All three deserved entries just based on who else made the cut. I could also add several of their allies, Inferno, Shvaughn Erin, Spider Girl, Evolvo, even Particon and Radion. The Bad guys - Universo, Dark Circle, White Triangle, Tangleweb, Composite Man, even the individual Fatal Five members (besides Tharok)!

Pre-Boot. It seems they were going to mention those who didn't make it into the reboot. But, why Bounty rather than Dawnstar? Or Celeste rather than Kono? Sun Boy, Bouncing Boy, Matter-Eater Lad, Blok, Invisible Kid II, Tellus, Quislet, and Magnetic Kid all deserved entries. Not to mention Nightwind, Lamprey, Crystal Kid, Impulse I, & Karate Kid II. Individual entries for the Subs beyond Polar Boy. The bad guys - Time Trapper, Infinite Man, Pulsar Stargrave, Starfinger I & II, Grimbor, the LSV ( plus individual listings for Cosmic King, Saturn Queen, Nemesis Kid, etc.), League of Assassins, among many others.

I know this sounds nit picky, but when you see the regular DCU listings, it's a slap in the face. Copyrights or no, why didn't the editors make a comprehensive list? If you're going to work this hard on a project why not do it right?

Fan web sites seem far more professional than this and far more accurate.

{ Fan web sites seem far more professional than this and far more accurate. }

That, I'd say, is what makes up some of the legal eagles' motives in finding pretexts to shut some of them down. It could embarrass their own product, and they'd rather assert their "intellectual property" than compete.

Books such as Glen Cadigan's, the "Companion" and the "Best of the Outpost," don't compete with their current product, and -- with royalties -- can thus be tolerated.

So we are being quoted for pointing out numerous errors. I love it!

What I don't love is the idea of a second printing with errors corrected. I'd rather them issue a second edition with new entries and corrections. I don't want to have to buy another copy.

Is this Greenberger the editor, or one of them? I gave him a polite earful about my sister's screwed-up page.

He wrote about a quarter of the entries ( see here ). He's also DC's Collected Editions head honcho.

I hope folks don't mind: I have a pretty exhaustive list of corrections for theLegion related entries in the Encyclopedia. Was anyone else confused by all the inconsistencies and errors? I think if anyone were to go through and catalog them, that book would be as big as the actual Encyclopedia. Here are those inconsistencies within the Legion entries, so that it’s all in one place. I decided not to discuss the arbitrary nature in which characters were included or excluded, but just correct the facts that were presented according to postboot continuity (which is the overriding continuity when this was published).

- Andromeda: Current first appearance was Legion of Super-Heroes (4th series) #66. Her Legion tryout uniform? She wore that for less than one issue. Why not show her in her actual costume? She didn’t defeat the White Triangle thugs, only their shadow-leader Roxxas. Her new powers and look sort of went away of their own accord, didn’t they?
- Apparition: Current first appearance was Legionnaire #0. No mention of her time as Phase? I know space was at a premium, but that was a big part of the character. And it wasn’t an assassination attempt on her mother, but of the entire United Planets Council. She didn’t give birth to Cub until a few years after returning to the future and after the Blight invasion.
- Atmos: Current first appearance was Legionnaires #0. It says the Blight took over Xanthu, which never happened. Also, how he got his powers postboot was never shown. It wasn’t as told here, as he was one of the three heroes vying for planetary champion alongside Star Boy and Kid Quantum I in Legionnaires #0 (so he had them before both Kid Quantum and Star Boy left for the Legion).
- Bek, Garryn: He didn’t defect to the R.E.B.E.L.S. he was on Lyrl’s side after being brainwashed with the rest of the L.E.G.I.O.N. Also, how about showing him in a L.E.G.I.O.N. uniform.
- Blight: They got it right.
- Bounty: hasn’t been a part of continuity for over 10 years. And, when last seen, she was rightly Dawnstar once again.
- Brainiac 5.1: Historical first appearance was Action Comics #276. He hasn’t gone by that codename for over four years. Also, he hasn’t worn that uniform for over five. He was drafted into the Legion, although he ignored the summons at first. And his “emotional upgrade” kind of disappeared after the Dark Circle storyline. No mention of the monkey on his shoulder?
- Brande, R.J.: Historical first appearance was Adventure Comics #350. They got it right, except to mention that his murderous business partner (Doyle) was a member of the White Triangle, which is why he attacked Brande.
- Captain Comet: Again, an old costume that hasn’t been seen in years. No mention of the fact that he is now in charge of L.E.G.I.O.N.?
- Celeste: Hasn’t been part of continuity for over ten years.
- Chameleon: Current first appearance was Legionnaires #0. If they are going to flip the art, at least flip the L-star buckle back. They also glossed over a lot of details.
- Chemical King: Current first appearance was Legionnaires #59. He hasn’t been called that name in over ten years (since reboot). It even says so in the entry.
- Chronos: when he battled the Legion, they weren’t time-lost. He fought them in the 30th century (XS was time lost however).
- C.O.M.P.U.T.O.: They got it right, although they failed to mention Robotica took control of Pluto/Warworld and joined the UP afterward.
- Cosmic Boy: They could distinguish the two first appearances as historical & current. The reasons for his being on the cruiser with Garth & Imra are kind of skewed, but for all intents and purposes are correct. A lot of details are glossed over for space. Why was his duplicitous relationship with Saturn Girl so important to mention, rather than more detail given to his service as leader? And no mention of his brother, Pol, following in his footsteps.
- The Dark Lord: Mordru's first appearance defiantly was NOT JSA Secret Files #1. It should be listed as Adventure Comics #369 for historical and Legionnaires #45 for current.
- Darkseid: They fail to mention any contact with the Legion. Of course, given his extensive history, this isn’t surprising.
- Dreamer: Current first appearance was Legion of Super-Heroes (4th series) #84. The name Schnappin is no longer a part of her name as she had it changed.
- Element Lad: Current first appearance was Legion of Super-Heroes (4th series) #71. They glossed over a lot of details.
- Fatal Five: They got it right, except to mention Mano’s intense hatred of Tharok.
- Ferro: Historical first appearance was Adventure Comics #346. Ignot never tried to reignite the sun during Final Night. That was Ferro, and he was stopped and sent back to Earth by Hal Jordan. Ignot died protecting his brother from Doctor 30.
- Garv: Wasn’t it Vril Dox II who freed the L.E.G.I.O.N. from the mind control? Garv rejoined L.E.G.I.O.N. when Captain Comet took over.
- Gates: his view of the Legion slowly changed over time, so that he decided to stay with the team, even after he no longer had to.
- Alien Races & Worlds: The Khunds had become quasi-allies by the end of DNA’s run (I liken this to the Klingons in Star Trek).
- Insect Queen: I’m not sure when it was, but shouldn’t some sort of historical mention have gone to Lana Lang for her silver-age roll as Insect Queen (don’t know when she first put on the costume, so I can’t give an exact issue number).
- Invisible Kid: Historical first appearance was Action Comics #267. No mention of his “brother” Jacques, the second Invisible Kid?
- Karate Kid; Current first appearance was Legion of Super-Heroes (4th series) #64.
- Kid Quantum I & II: Kid Quantum I’s Current first appearance was Legionnaires #0. It fails to mention Jazmin’s membership in the Uncanny Amazers.
- Kinetix: She never fell under the power of the Emerald Eye, except when the entire team did.
- L.E.G.I.O.N.: They did restore L.E.G.I.O.N.’s good name, and Captain Comet is now in charge.
- Legion of Substitute Heroes: Historical first appearance was Adventure Comics #306. Infectious Lass and Porcupine Pete were never shown as members postboot. Antenna Boy & Double-Header were never seen period postboot.
- Legion of Super-Heroes: Current first appearance was Legion of Super-Heroes (4th series) #0. Dragonmage, Mysa, Particon & Radion were never members, not even honorary. The team started out in the 30th century, not the 31st. Again, Ignot was not part of Final Night. Universo has only once used Saturn Girl’s telepathy against the team, not multiple times.
- Leviathan: Historical first appearance was Action Comics #267.
- Lightning Lord: Current first appearance was Legion of Super-Heroes (4th series) #0. They got most of it right.
- Live Wire: They could distinguish the two first appearances as historical & current. A lot of details were glossed over for space.
- Lobo: his ability to regenerate and replicate himself from a drop of blood was stripped by Vril Dox II, not Brainiac 5. Beyond that, it happened way before the R.E.B.E.L. days.
- Magno: How about mentioning that he joined the Science Police after the Legion disbanded?
- M’onel: Historical first appearance was Superboy (1st series) #89. He was freed from the Stasis [Phantom] Zone in the 30th century, not the 31st. A lot of details were glossed over.
- Monstress: They got it right.
- Polar Boy: Historical first appearance was Adventure Comics #306. He hasn’t worn the Lightle designed costume in years, defiantly not since reboot. The call that went out was not directed solely to the Subs, it was a general call that Polar Boy felt they weren’t ready to answer. He joined the Legion Cadets recently (which is oddly mentioned in the Legion Subs entry, but not his own).
- R.E.B.E.L.S.: Amon Hakk, Garryn Bek, Mari’jn Bek, Gigantus, Layla and Zena Moonstruck were never members of R.E.B.E.L.S. They were all brainwashed into following Lyrl. Telepath was only a member reluctantly (he was still under brainwashing, but he was more afraid of Vril Dox II). Borb Borb was a member, and is not listed (nor was the fact that he sacrificed himself to save his team).
- Saturn Girl: Could have distinguished between historical & current first appearances. A lot of things are glossed over, for sake of space. She finally did accept Garth in his Element Lad body.
- Sensor: Historical first appearance was Adventure Comics #346. Failed to mention how much she hated her new form.
- Shrinking Violet – Historical first appearance was Adventure Comics #276. It even mentions that she isn’t called Shrinking Violet anymore, but abbreviated it to simply “Violet”. They glossed over a lot of details.
- Spark: Historical first appearance was Adventure Comics #308. A lot of details are glossed over, including her relationship with Chameleon.
- Star Boy: Historical first appearance was Adventure Comics #282. He started out in the 30th century, not the 31st.
- Superboy: Historical first appearance was More Fun Comics #101. Completely fails to mention his role with the Legion in any way, shape or form.
- Tharok: could have distinguished between his historical & current first appearances. They failed to mention the huge conflict between Tharok & Mano (which ended up in Mano destroying his Cybernetic side at one point).
- Thunder II: Technically she’s the third Thunder, since the other two were from the 21st century. Status is defiantly that of a hero.
- Timber Wolf: Historical first appearance was Adventure Comics #327. How about mentioning his rivalry with Ultra Boy?
- Triad: Historical first appearance was Action Comics #276. She’s hasn’t worn that Legion uniform in over three years. Her relationship was never officially ended with Chuck.
- Ultra Boy: Historical first appearance was Superboy #98. He wasn’t on a scavenging mission when he got his powers; he was fleeing from another gang.
- Umbra: they got it right, even if they glossed over some details.
- Wanderers: They haven’t been a part of continuity since the reboot.
- White Witch: Historical first appearance was Adventure Comics #350. Mysa was never once referred to as the White Witch postboot. Her occupation is that of a sorceress, not an adventurer. She didn’t give Kinetix her telekinesis; she just made it easier for Zoe to be receptive of magically induced powers.
- Wildfire: historical first appearance was Superboy (first series) #195. His second suit was not created by Professor Vultan, but by the Kwai.
- XS: She wasn’t invited to join the Legion, she was drafted. It was in the 30th century, not the 31st. They glossed over a lot of details, including her great service record in the Legion.

Why is Bounty the only pre-Zero Hour Legionnaire featured?

I wish we had seen more of the adult Legion.

Also, no entry for Mordru? Or did I miss it?

Nope - post-ZH, he was third (McCauley fourth). The Beginning of Tommorrow TPB text page also mentions that Chu had the record of who was outright richest "sealed", but this was never followed up on.

Yep. It's not even his earliest continuity appearance for cripes sake - that goes to his Gemworld appearances



Something else else DnA should have done better than glossing over too...

Nope - the belt was an amplifier, rather than the source of his power. And it's "Jazmin".

Given the sliding timeline (Since the post-ZH Legion was always @ Now + 1000 years, notwithstanding the typo in For No Better Reason), that's probably deliberate, rather than an error.

Actually, it was v4 #0, in flashback. And it seemed more an obsession than rehabilitation - note also how he dropped the stammer when no-one was looking. Dangling plot that won't be resolved (DnA really dropped the ball in Foundations..)

I haven't seen this - does it mention it was restored with his deaging in Sins of Youth?


See above on the timing. And it should probably be noted that, although both are technically correct, "Statis Zone" was the term used in the actual story.


Probably because, after giving it some focus in her Legion Worlds issue and having Cham be the one to greet her through the threshold, DnA dropped it to such an extent that we never saw them together on-panel again...

See above on dating.

Post-ZH, did it ever actually begin? Neutral went to a baseball (?) game with him once, and they could be interpreted as dating in Lgs 77, but not enough panel time to make the call (and it's worth noting that in the Worlds #1 backup, the only one she mentions that she mentions specifically that she misses is RJ (her "dad")- and Chuck is just as inaccessible.

Again, see above on the timing.

Ok, thanks to Reboot, I fixed the typos and some of the other details I totally screwed up on.

However, I didn't fix the 30th century/31st century thing becasue some of the Legion characters are stated to have started out in the 30th c. and some are stated to have started in the 31st c. (characters that "first" appeared simultaniously). I wanted to show some consistancy. Further, even if the Legion started out on January 1, 3000 (which it didn't, because Legion of the Damned clearly states it as the end of the 30th century, which means the team was established for a couple of years before this story) the members were still born, grew up and lived their pre-Legion lives in the 30th century. I know about the slide rule in DCU, but that still doesn't give enough time in the 31st century (four years) for everything to take place.