Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes NEEDED: A heavy hitting lass that doesn't threaten the "girls are icky" bratlings

This could be very difficult.

I don't want a "point-and-shoot" lass either, I want a nass-kicking femme fighting machine that dares to tell a BOY "This mission is too dangerous for YOU!".

Seriously, this whole pre-tween focus-group "I hate girls" thing is hurting my enjoyment of the cartoon!

Now, my primary candidate for such a role would be Andromeda. Past time to intro the Daxamite race, right? Stick her in the Valor-Girl costume as an homage to Superman, have them become fast friends. Maybe even use her to break Brainy's man-crush on Supes. Still, this tall, brawny beauty might intimidate the pre-tween focus groups.

Maybe Dawnstar? Monstress?

Konk? ANYONE??!?!?!?

How about Supergirl herself? Do they have the rights to use her? I'm guessing that's a possibility since she's popping up now on Smallville.

Imagine Brainy have Supes on one side of him and Kara on the other side. Poor guy would shut down.

If it makes you feel any better, MLLASH, I read in an interview that Dawnstar is going to make an appearance and Dream Girl is going to get her own episode this season.

As for a nass-kicking femme fighting machine, I think Shadow Lass would be perfect for that role. She's the only other legionnaire I really want to see besides Wildfire.

I don't even know why James Tucker even cares about what eight-year-old boys think. Most of them don't even know who the LOSH are.

I'm pretty sure I've seen lots of female characters in season 2. I mean, Triplicate Girl, Phantom Girl, and Shrinking Violet have prominent roles in four out of five episodes this season.

You guys are making more about than what is actually going on.

It's a problem that is worsening every episode, culminatng in this week's cameos-only female appearances.

Let's examine, using the Adventure Era femme roll of the LSH:

SATURN GIRL: Lapsed into coma, out of the picture

TRIPLICATE GIRL: Still active as DUO DAMSEL

PHANTOM GIRL: Still active

SHRINKING VIOLET: Still active

DREAM GIRL: Still active, though silent and doing nothing more than cameos so far

LIGHTNING/LIGHT LASS: Effectively removed from the possibility of LSH membership

PRINCESS PROJECTRA: A no-show so far

SHADOW LASS: A no-show so far

So of the 8 Adventure-Era lasses (non-Supergirl), 2 have yet to be introduced, 2 have been removed from the picture (and 1 of those permanently unless Glorith shows up).

I hope that upcoming Dawnstar appearance shows her as the smashing-through-spaceships badass she was. I'm cautiously optimistic about her and the upcoming Dream Girl ep.

There's a few problems with that argument. Triplicate Girl becoming Duo Damsel isn't necessarily an attempt to depower her and thus marginalize her. It could easily be a chance to, you know, keep her character from being static and give her some actual focus. Give her a problem, an issue, some reason to be concerned for her in her role in the story.

As for Ayla, yes, she can't join the Legion because of her age. But again, you're assuming darker motives once again. The way that episode was framed, it'd be IMPOSSIBLE to have her be introduced as an adult. And without something having happened to her way back when, the entire story of Chained Lightning falls apart. There's nothing for Garth and Mekt to come together on, and there's no mystery to the cloud or the vision that are feeding Lightning Lad's guilt.

As for the no shows and certain characters only being cameos... well, yeah, but consider how vast the membership is, and how they have to balance things like characterization and who appears where. Some are obviously going to be ignored and held off, even if they're male.

All your argument is left with is Saturn Girl, and with, like, 9 episodes left and a cast of twenty or more, it may take some time and they may have more than a few reasons.

Duo Damsel this follows LSH canon... I was listing her current status.

And in the CHAINED LIGHTNING thread, I did applaud the writers for the crafty way they kept Ayla out of the possibility of LSH membership. No one could begrudge her NOT losing her childhood without coming off an ass. Brilliant. Crafty.


MORE GIRLS NOW!!!!

I give up.

I declare that they should introduce Lori Morning to show the pugnacious, pre-pubescent fanbase that girls are in fact icky.

Thereby they will stay nerdy and non-interested in girls until their late 20s and thus save the comic book industry by spending massive mountains of cash on variant covers.

Monstress or Andromeda would be good. They wouldn't be considered "icky girls", I think.
I don't know which male Legionnaire they could say "this is too dangerous for you" to and not have the pre-teeners cringe, though. Brainy would deserve it, of course!

I love it!

Even if it means suffering through Lori Morning.... (the ONE female LSH character I would never, ever want to see... IRONY!!!!)

Screw the "girls are icky brats"! I want back Saturn cutie!

I want Imra back too!

I second Andromeda and Shadow Lass, but leaning more towards Tasmia, since she adds more uniqueness power-wise. Give her Umbra-class fighting skills and pow!

And I'd argue for a point-and-shoot lass with attitude to round them out. We can never have too many Legionnaires Besides, we don't have ANY point-and-shoot girls right now, so...

I nominate KINETIX! Bwahahaha they could intro her in an episode with the Emerald Empress, and I dunno, have her try to steal the Eye, then renounce it because she sees how evil it is, but get some power anyway, then join the Legion.

Wishful thinking.

Carry on folks...

I think Supergirl herself would be the best to fill the role of the powerful lead female. I also think bringing in the White Witch for the magic element would increase the female power base. And I vote for Shadow Lass as the female warrior who tells a guy that this mission would be too dangerous for him.

I think there still stereotyping issues to work out with Dawnstar, so I vote to wait til that's figured out before she debuts.

I do not want to see Lori Morning on this show! That'll be the "jumping the shark" episode, IMO.

I do want to see Daxam, and its offerings (Lar and Laurel). Maybe all part of the Great Darkness Saga!?!

Can't wait for the Dream Girl episode!

White Witch, Kid Quantum II, Monstress, Supergirl and Andromeda are the only real 'alpha-class' femmes out there. (Dawnstar and Shadow Lass, despite their butt-kicking personae, aren't exactly powerhouses, unless re-imagined to give Shady darkforce-type powers like the Titans cartoon did with Raven. Although recently Dawnstar has been said to have an 'invulnerable body' and 'great strength' so perhaps she's now a Kryptonian-Cherokee hybrid and counts as a powerhouse...)

Given the prominence of Superman (and now, Superman X) in the show, Mon-El seems to be a poor fit for the cartoon, so Andromeda is actually a possibility. I skipped that section of Legion history, so I don't know crap about her, other than that her butt is amazing, and probably wouldn't be as prominent (or exposed) in a cartoon version, which is pretty much her entire selling point.

Supergirl, on the other hand, would be redundant. Until X's teary demise (or return to the 40th century, or whatever), we've already got more Superdude than we can handle.

I'm not a big fan of Monstress, although the team could use some muscle, since Blok seems to be strictly background material (pity, his friendship with Timber Wolf was a favorite thing, back in the day). Then again, Timber Wolf seems to be all muscle-y in the cartoon-verse anyway, so perhaps he fits that role here.

Kid Quantum II would be one of my top picks, although her powers would have to actually be defined. I vaguely recall her accelerating people up and slowing them down in time, but other than that, don't have any clue what she actually does.

White Witch would be my other top pick, and, again, her 'spells' would have to be better defined than they were in the comics, where she vacillated between being overpowered and freaking useless, depending on the vagaries of plot.

Dream Girl *could* be introduced as in the WaK threeboot, as literally untouchable, able to 'combat precog' her way through fights unharmed, and manipulating adversaries into shooting each other or whatever. While not a flashy power (although the illustrators could make it so, by having her see ghostly images in advance of what foes are going to do, and then 'sleepwalk' through the actual event itself), it has the potential to make her a serious player.

And then there could be the inevitable unavoidable situation.

Dream Girl "Uh oh."
Superboy "What? What do you see?"
Dream Girl "That this is going to hurt..."
[cue explosion]

An ideal girl-heavy episode could have a Dream Girl-centered issue involving going to Naltor to deal with some inexplicable disturbances, which turn out to be caused by her sister's out-of-control magical potential. They have to deal with the situation at hand, and then take her to the Sorcerer's World, where she can learn to control her magical gifts, so that she can return in the 11th hour with exciting new magical powers that help save the day.

This could be in the same episode. The team deals with the Naltorian disturbance / send Mysa to Sorcerer's World subplot in the first third, has some other issue to deal with for the remainder of the ep, with Dream Girl an active member of the team, having been forbidden by the Sorcerers from staying with her sister. She kicks butt with her powers, but they end up overpowered, then Mysa teleports in and helps shift the balance with some well-placed magical assistance, explaining at shows end that the Sorcerer's didn't 'train her' they simply cast a spell that allowed her access to decades of study, all at once. She got the 'advanced course' and then they teleported her to her sister, so that she won't be able to do that trick quite as casually in the future. Instead of complicated spells, she could just create reddish-colored portals of light for limited teleportation effects, throw crimson blasts and put up scarlet shields of energy to block attacks. Other 'spells' could be a function of plot.

Naltorians could be depicted in largely non-speaking roles, wordlessly pointing the Legionnaires where they need to go and handing over information even as Brainy is requesting it, since they've already foreseen their requests (and that the disturbances end faster if the Legion gets Mysa off-planet faster, so they are not inclined to stop for chit-chat).

Infectious Lass can both kick ass and confirm the ickiness of girls!

Hmmm... might this be the true reason Drura was selected to appear in the SUBS episode?

She might actually have the potential to become the bratlings' "girls are icky" fan-favorite!

I changed my mind. There's only one Legionverse femme I *must* see more of.

The Emerald Empress must become a Legionnaire!

Iresa's available.

It isn't really the show itself that's made some of us talking up the girls. It's the all-boy McDonald's promotion and the DVD cover with nary a girl on it. The second one's the same, I believe.

DC Direct even shyed away from producing action figures of any girl Legionnaires, except Saturn Girl and Super-Girl (not promoted as a Legion figure).

The LSH's girls are some of it's best characters. The title has had more female readers than most super-hero comics, I think. Plus, the Legion is supposed to stand for unity in diversity, girl's going on dangerous missions- even when feckless boys tell them not to, 'weaker' powers contributing to whatever effort is at hand. It saddens me that that's possibly getting diluted.

What Mystery Lad said reflects my own thoughts on the matter.

I don't think we need more Legion females or Legion female powerhouses. I would like to see the animated series better utilize the girls we have seen before introducing more. As was shown with Triplicate Girl/Duo Damsel, even Legionnaires with "weaker" powers are forces to be reckoned with.

When we get an episode with more than one of the existing female Legionnaires in active roles, I'll be satisfied that the cartoon isn't slavishly devoted to its supposed demographics.

I've been watching the Teen Titans cartoon lately and there were 3 boys (Robin, Cyborg, Beast Boy) and 2 girls (Raven, Starfire)in the main group. The girls were utilized well, and it makes me wonder what the difference with demographics is between TT and the Legion cartoon.
If anything, the TT cartoon seems more childlike, more like Japanese anime aimed at younger children, than the Legion. I just don't get it...

Still, as you guys said, if the existing Legion girls are used correctly they wouldn't be considered "icky" or something by that elusive "target group".

Lash, I do believe you've just determined the next HOLO MODEL competition! Go to Bits!