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Re: LSH #10 (Preview/Spoilers)
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Originally posted by cleome: I think Jo's costume is cute. Fine. I'm weird. well I am even weirder than you...I found Wildfire a lot more cuter with new costume...imagine him in flesh and he has more flesh to show than Cosmic Boy's during the Grellian era!
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Why is Phantom Girl standing around complaining about the cold and rain, getting soaked when she could simply dematerialize and let it pass through her? For that matter, why is Chameleon Girl wearing a rain tarp when all 3 of them have transuits that can protect them from the cold vacuum of space?
I see Dr. Gym'll is back to having 4 arms while his kinsman in the academy has only 3. I'm reminded of an old toy called Johnny Six-Finger. It was a plastic finger you could attach to your hand to make it look like you had six fingers. Whoever the genius was that thought that up I don't know. Anyway, maybe Gym'll has a Johnny Four-Arm.
I also thought it was pretty dumb of Jo to rip the door off the ship and I agree that the whole issue felt rushed and the climax really wasn't one. I was hoping Cham's mom would at least revert to her true form when she got knocked out so we could see her as a human and maybe relate to the dramatic tension between her and Cham a little more. For all the drama this revelation was supposed to produce, Cham really didn't seem all that torn up about it.
At least the cover was nice.
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Oh yeah, what does this mean:
"Caught in one of those forms-but-not-substance shifts, huh"?
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Yeah, that line kinda threw me too. I liked this issue. Everyone is complaining that the story was anti-climactic but not for me. I'm glad it's over actually. It was a silly kind of revenge with no real logic story for my tastes. The fact that Monel and Cos are nervous about Brainy becoming leader is far more interesting to me. It almost has a 3-boot Legion feel to it with the way Cos is criticising Brainy, except that this Cosmic Boy became embarrassed after Brainy hears him dissing him. I don't like any of it one bit by the way! The artwork was awesome. Cinar is definately not Jimenez but there's about 20 experience between them so I'm going to say "way to go!" to Cinar and the team for their great work here. They are both really starting to hit their stride with this book. I especially loved how Dawnstar looked this issue. Speaking of Dawny, I'm glad she out of the coma in one piece but I see Paul is reverting her back to her old snobish self rather than the humbled-by-experience team player we've seen her be these past 2 years. Ultra Boy touches on this this earlier in the book. That's a letdown really for me as I was happy with the way she had been written lately, prior to this issue. Monel's Green Lantern costume seems weird to me. I can't quite put my finger on what's bothering me. Maybe it's just the white go-go boots.
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Originally posted by jimgallagher: Oh yeah, what does this mean:
"Caught in one of those forms-but-not-substance shifts, huh"? Hey Jim I think he is referring to her choosing a form that doesn't have a tougher outer skin but just looks that way. Kind of a new concept but does explain the inconsistency of why sometimes Cham seems to have more abilities beyond just the look of the form he is using. Also - I totally had the same thought that his aunt/mom should have reverted to her standard form at some point to make their interaction more personal.
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Originally posted by superboymddjr: Originally posted by cleome: [b] I think Jo's costume is cute. Fine. I'm weird. well I am even weirder than you...I found Wildfire a lot more cuter with new costume...imagine him in flesh and he has more flesh to show than Cosmic Boy's during the Grellian era! [/b]Exactly! His 2 most recent costumes are practicaly fetish wear. At the very least they are burlesque worthy.
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Originally posted by The Man From Cargg: Originally posted by jimgallagher: [b] Oh yeah, what does this mean:
"Caught in one of those forms-but-not-substance shifts, huh"? Hey Jim
I think he is referring to her choosing a form that doesn't have a tougher outer skin but just looks that way. Kind of a new concept but does explain the inconsistency of why sometimes Cham seems to have more abilities beyond just the look of the form he is using.
Also - I totally had the same thought that his aunt/mom should have reverted to her standard form at some point to make their interaction more personal. [/b]Or they could've had her confront him in humanoid form before attacking him. That would've made the reveal more dramatic. After all the years she's lived on Earth, it's hard to believe she'd consider her own adoptive son/nephew a traitor to Durla, but we have to have the drama I guess. Just wish it had been handled better.
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Originally posted by jimgallagher: Oh yeah, what does this mean:
"Caught in one of those forms-but-not-substance shifts, huh"? I think Levitz has done a lot of thinking about how the Legionnaires' powers work, and how they work together. Every issue, it seems, contains some reference. Besides the one you mentioned here, LSH 10 tells us that Phantom Girl is the only Legionnaire Dawnstar can't track, and that Cham can duplicate something to the precision of fooling a retinal scan.
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Dawny's new uniform is very Andre Courreges circa '64!!
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Originally posted by future king: Monel's Green Lantern costume seems weird to me. I can't quite put my finger on what's bothering me. Maybe it's just the white go-go boots. For me, the cape needs to go. It looks so HEAVY. The other thing that's wrong is his hair being parted on the side. He really looks too much like Superman, rather than Mon El. Even if the cape stays, his hair needs to go back to bangs, of some sort anyway. Just not like Supes, imo.
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Eh. I enjoyed LSH ACADEMEY much more.
I did enjoy seeing Yera as part of the team but I have to say I'm very very disappointed with what has been done to Ji Daggle. This *IS* Ji, right? Cham's aunt?
Definitely time to move on to the LSV arc.
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I'm surprised at how little chatter there's been about this issue so far. Seems like it was a disappointment for most of us.
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Definitely needed more foreshadowing to the reveal. Having her appear before now condemning the attacks publicly would have made the ending have a little more impact.
Seeing Yera as a Legionnaire made the issue for me though.
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Another disappointing issue for me. It seemed like half of the story was missing. I'm really glad that this Durlan story is over. I have a couple of questions though:
1. Is Ji Daggle dead. 2. Chameleon Girl kept talking about loosing film parts and being an actress. Does this mean that she has left the Legion to follow her acting career? 3. Why did Chameleon Boy need to break into his own father's estate. You'd think he'd have a key of his own. Very bad writing Mr. Levitz.
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Ouch. "Very bad writing Mr. Levitz."??? That's a bit harsh.
I'm also glad it's over. Went on a bit too long for me. But I enjoyed the story overall. Cham's "mom"/aunt makes sense as the main villain.
I can think for a million reasons why R.J. Brande didn't give Cham the keys.
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Originally posted by Legion Tracker: Originally posted by jimgallagher: [b]Oh yeah, what does this mean:
"Caught in one of those forms-but-not-substance shifts, huh"? I think Levitz has done a lot of thinking about how the Legionnaires' powers work, and how they work together. Every issue, it seems, contains some reference. Besides the one you mentioned here, LSH 10 tells us that Phantom Girl is the only Legionnaire Dawnstar can't track, and that Cham can duplicate something to the precision of fooling a retinal scan. [/b]Yeah I love that in a writer. Claremont would do it as well. Keep exploring the powers a bit, etc.
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I prefer to remember Ji Daggle as heroically battling Dagon the Avenger alongside other Legionnaires' parents, one of my favorite stories from a notoriously not-so-good period of LSH history.
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Originally posted by BouncingBear: 3. Why did Chameleon Boy need to break into his own father's estate. You'd think he'd have a key of his own. It is not his father's estate. He inherited it so it is Cham's estate. That make the break in even worse.
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Originally posted by Silver Age Lad: Originally posted by BouncingBear: [b] 3. Why did Chameleon Boy need to break into his own father's estate. You'd think he'd have a key of his own. It is not his father's estate. He inherited it so it is Cham's estate. That make the break in even worse.[/b]We know that RJ left Reep a whole bunch of money, but we don't know that he left him his house, do we? Maybe RJ's planning to keep using the house via Brainy's time bubble.
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Well, not thrilled with the reveal, but it could have been worse. I half expected that it was going to turn out that Brande wasn't dead and that he was the bad guy.
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The resolution did seem a bit rushed, but I can attribute that to the reduction of the page count. Like others, I'm glad the story is over and would rather have seen the rushed ending than for it to have dragged out another issue.
Wildfire's look is a bit of an improvement. The Mon-El, Cosmic Boy and Brainiac 5 interaction was fun.
Regarding Yera... Maybe I'm reading too much but here's my take. She has returned to acting and is not an active Legion member. But she is sometimes called in to participate in Espionage Squad missions. It's actually a role I am comfortable with for her.
The "Dawnstar can't tack Phantom Girl" reveal was the most intriguing part of the issue.
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Jerry, that's also what I'm feeling for Yera.
I kind of like this, if it is indeed true.
I think the idea of having numerous backup "On-Call Legionnaires" beyond the Subs is a great and long overdue idea.
What a wonderful way to bring in the occasional non-Legionnaire fan-fave to appease fans!
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Having read the issue now, I have to say it was just "okay." I'm glad the Durlan storyline is done. I have to agree with what's been said before - I would have loved to have seen Cham's aunt have some kind of role in the story before the big reveal. At the very least, she could have at least made an appearance in 'orange Durlan' form for old times sake. Having to break into Brande's estate was a little strange, but I didn't think about it initially until I came here. Really wish Yera had joined in on this adventure earlier on, like in the solicits.
With the reaction from the people of Durla and now Cham's aunt going a little cuckoo, I can't say I blame Reep for favoring his "warm blood" friends and guise.
Beren's prophecy of "Cham being attacked by his teammates" seemed a little like an after thought; a plot hole that had to be wrapped up on the last page. Would have loved to have seen what Levitz's original intent was for the "attacking" scene when he wrote the revelation from Naltor. Possibly a victim of both the page count reduction and leadership results changing the story up?
Like Jerry, that's how I always took Yera's participation as Chameleon Girl. She never had a Legion belt buckle and I recall in the Action issues she was only 'flying' because Gim was holding her hand. Perhaps, after assisting Brainy in infiltrating Earth Man's Justice League, she became an honorary and got the flight ring? I'd like to think Rond Vidar was the same way before his death, acting on his old honorary status. I know a lot of people saw him as a Legionnaire, but I can't believe the Legion would retract their stance about members with artificial powers.
I'm finding the tidbits about Dawnstar tracking Tinya and Yera mimicking appearances but not bulk/mass to be fascinating. Really helps explain Dawny's disdain for Tinya from 20 years ago. I love the insights into the Legionnaires' powersets we've been getting the last two issues and hope we get more trivia like this.
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Originally posted by Future: I'd like to think Rond Vidar was the same way before his death, acting on his old honorary status. I know a lot of people saw him as a Legionnaire, but I can't believe the Legion would retract their stance about members with artificial powers.
He's immune to hypnosis. That's a natural power. This is a loophole, of course, but no more so than similar loopholes for the "unique power" rule.
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