Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Comics Buyer Guide Interview: Legion of Three Worlds is Not in Continuity!

I picked up the Comics Buyers Guide with the Legion. Among the articles is a Levitz interview.

"Only the pre-1990 series and the first two Johns stories--and whatever still-unwritten bits happened in between--will 'count'.

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"But what about 'Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds'? That was a third Johns-written story with the 'original' Legion; it guest-starred the 'Zero Hour' Legion and the 'Threeboot' Legion. Many important things happened there that would greatly affect any Legion story, such as the death of Legion founder and financier R.J. Brande. Are those things not part of the new Legion continuity?

"'Not necessarily', Levitz said. 'Or at least they may never be mentioned again. Only time will tell.'"

I've yet to see this bombshell mentioned either on this board ot the DC board. <strike>(Although in the specific case of Brande's death we do know that that still counts, since Adventure #11 is about his will.)</strike> (Edit: The Brande's will story was not written by Levitz.)

Whoa. That *IS* a pretty big bomb to drop there. Interesting.

That's good news for me, at least. Never read it. Probably never will.

Well maybe we can pretend Rond never died then...

odd, given Gates' appearance last issue ... the Sodom Yat stuff too ...

This would make me very happy!

Oh, and my mistake. The Brande's will story was not written by Levitz, so this doesn't mean that he counts Brande as being dead. The use of Gates and Sodam Yat, however, do seem to be L3W elements that Levitz is using.

Perhaps he's only using elements of the story he finds useful or feels he can develop further.

This good news about Legion of Three Worlds no longer being in continuity possibly. However it does make the series even more pointless then it was already.

However I do think Brande is still dead because if he is not the solicit for next weeks Adventure is really, really wrong.

This also means Kinetic may no longer be dead which is good news indeed.

Since that seems to be his approach even to the pre-1990 stuff, it wouldn't surprise me!

I have the feeling she's gonna "pop out" of the Black Witch along with Mordru one of these days.

I agree and it cannot happen soon enough for me

When she does if they can find a way to turn her back in to the cat girl she was for awhile that would be great too.

As long as I get my Zoe back I am happy. She was the best part of the reboot, IMO.

I saw this in CBG too but didn't find it all that exciting. I think that's going to be Paul's general approach to anything continuity-mess related from Crisis to now: Paul will cherry pick all the best stuff that works for him.

We'll just have to keep that other thread going as each issue comes out and we can confirm what's what!

Those comments just make me angry. I wasn't thrilled with Legion of Three Worlds. But why in the heck did I bother to buy it if doesn't count? At a friggen' $3.99 per issue, no less.

Instead of telling us what isn't in continuity anymore, why doesn't someone just tell us what is? Even better, why don't they bother to tell us before we pay for the books. Coy answers stopped being cute a long time ago. I'm not a total continuity cop and have no desire to be. I am, however, tired of paying for Legion stories that don't seem to matter to anyone at DC.

So, it might not count as canon hey? Really??

So.......... how the heck did Duo Damsel become Duplicate Damsel then?
And how did XS come to join this current classic Legion? And Gates ...?
Come on.

I gotta tell ya, Paul slipped again and forgot to add that 5-parter to that list of canon. He will probably publish an addendum to correct this in the near future.

I'm disappointed for a petty reason. At the end of the Lo3W a DC Message Board thread was in Superboy-Prime's room, which confirms two things.
1) Johns reads the message boards.
2) Superboy-Prime represents the "fans" who hate everything that is currently in comics and love anything in the past.

I think the main thing that Paul will most likely ignore is the whole "Superboy-Prime = Time Trapper" revelation, thus freeing him to use the Time Trapper if he wants.

I applaud Paul Levitz for picking and choosing. it's his job to tell good stories, not be a continuity nitpick.

clearly a lot of L3W did happen - Mysa as Black Witch, dead RJ, Sodam Yat, etc. He's taking what works and leaving the rest.

If people are buying comics only to worry about how they all fit together into a seamless 'grand narrative,' you're doing it for the wrong reason. DC irrevocably derailed itself from that path in 1985. If your buying habits are contingent upon continuity for continuity's sake, then you'll never be satisfied - something might always come along and undue your story. I can still enjoy my favorite pre-crisis stories, pre-zero-hour stories or pre-Infinite Crisis stories regardless of how they fit (or don't).

yes, it's fun when stories draw upon past ones, but it should be a strength, not a weakness, and worrying about if Captain X's fart 30 issues ago still 'counts.'

that is probably it.

I have no objection to picking and choosing, but there are limits. To me, ignoring the stories that were solicited to set up your run is beyond those limits. These stories were just printed. I'm not asking Paul to address 50 years of continuity glitches. I'm asking him to try to be consistent with stories printed in the last two or three years - stories that were supposed to be part of this continuity. For example, the story line that was just printed, that tied into Adventure Comics, hinted at a relationship between Brainiac 5 and Supergirl. More about that relationship is supposed to be printed in the upcoming Supergirl Annual. If we assume that the story that set the annual up is now out of continuity, what does that say about the annual? Will it be out of continuity too?

There were some things sacrificed to make way for the current run. One of the arguments for introducing this new version was that it might be able to bring in readers of other books, because it fits more centrally into the DC universe. It's hard for me to see that happening if these comics don't really tie into the recent histories of those series.

As far as I'm concerned, Legion of Three Worlds did happen until I see something in the book that directly contradicts it.

I'm considering it to have happened until something in the books says it didn't.

The Time Trapper is such a mutable concept that Levitz can make it his own again without having to retcon anything that's already taken place.

I agree about the Trapper. I think we have only been shown what the Trapper wants us to see.