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Well, I think it still counts as the original Legion returned. I did list the mistakes in the board game, but I don't seriously think they're anything other than mistakes. The only real retcon in the board game is Death of Superboy/Conspiracy, and that retcon restores things which happened to the original Legion.
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"Sorry, No. This is the 'New Earth' version of the Legion." Which is in fact the same Legion shown after Crisis. "The Original Legion was from Silver Age Earth 1 and that Earth nolonger exists. " No silly, that was retconned to be a Pocket Universe, all the while Legion was existing on ( New ) Earth. Unless you mean the SW6 Legion, they might have been from Earth-1 "And, instead of trying to make it closer to the Original, they intentionally make it more and more different" I like how THEY make fun of themselves in making a up a silly brd game outlining the important stories from the Legion's past, although it was very frustrating trying to find a 6 sided dice and having to restart every once in awhile. It kept giving me sense of De Ja vu... One of the things that bugged me was how they expected me to take them serious about Shrinking Violet, for example, she was kidnapped BEFORE The Great Darkness Saga yet the story took place revealing it almost a year later..WTF!? "The entire 'Conspiracy' storyline happened after the first major retcon to LSH history (the 'Pocket Universe' storyline). So, No it did not happen to the Original Legion and is not a restoration of the Original Legion's history." Back then it was called a RETCON. Plain and simple. Retcons werent sweeping changes creating "new versions" they were changes revealed to have been in place all along. "Hi I'm Superman, I'm pretty popular. I've been around for such a long time and it seems every couple of months I remember things I never told you before... like for instance it just occured to me after being around for 10 years that I was also known as Superboy...and I had all these adventures before I became Superman!" --Superman, 1949, 10 years after his first appearance. Poor kid would never had made it if the internet was around back then.
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Just about any title has a certain level of retconning and rewriting. We don't say that the 1960's Legion isn't the "original Legion" because Cosmic Boy doesn't have magnetic eyes. We don't say that the Legion with Star Boy having gravity powers isn't the "original Legion" because he started out with different powers and changed them with no explanation (until decades later).
It doesn't make any sense to say that in order for it to count as the original version there must be no changes.
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Umm, this version does indeed have Brainy mourning Supergirl's death. We're seeing Supergirl earlier in her timeline, but in the Legion's timeline she's died, as far as they know.
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Originally posted by Iam Legion: "Sorry, No. This is the 'New Earth' version of the Legion."
Which is in fact the same Legion shown after Crisis. Not really. The post-CoIE Legion still had Laurel Kent as an academy member. Still Had Dev-Em as an occasional Aly. And still had Brainy mourning Supergirl's death in CoIE even though her origin (much like Power Girl and Donna Troy's) nolonger existed. This version has none of those and the current version of Supergirl didn't even exist until well after CoIE. Well, it's all in how you see it. Superboy was from another Universe, there is nothing stating that Dev-Em isnt from THAT Universe's Krypton. Also, The Time Trapper was stopping the effects of Crisis in the future causing the Legion to still be aware of what occurred AND giving Brainy the time to mourn Supergirl. It wasnt until Cosmic Boy went in to the past during Legends that the Legion realized Time Trappers plan or that they have been traveling to an alternate Earth. Laurel Kent could have been still around, although she died being a Manhunter IF that series was a super success there may be reason to reference her again and in doing so we could find out who she descended from. Imagine if Levitz had been allowed to make Sensor Girl , Supergirl like he had intended? Considering that no one knew for so long who joined first, Supergirl or Superboy...I think it fun that despite what "really" happened the book still goes on and the Pocket Universe and it's ramifications will just have to be another conundrum that is part of Legion History. It gives a nod to the Legion's roots while allowing for whatever Post Infinite Madness is going on in the mainstream DCU. 9 issues and 1 Annual and Levitz seems to be carving out AGAIN his own part of the DCU. It is it's own version based (rather loosely at times) on the original with elements from other versions thrown in. We don't know that yet.
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Originally posted by Iam Legion: [QB] Imperical evidence. The Original is gone. The current version tends to give a lot of nods to the Original, but has tossed in a couple of things like the throw-away refference to Dragonmage in Lo3W. Any "nods" towards a character is intended for the reader and is not evidence that you are dealing with a "new" version of those characters whom have no notion of the "nod" with in the context of the story. As for Dev-Em being from the PU Krypton... It could have gone that way. Still could, heck, considering all the Kryptonians runing around on the NEW DCU, all of the old Dev-Em stuff CAN be BACK in continuity. But it wasn't. The only other surrvivors from the PU Krypton were Krypto (depowered and likely dead when..) and the Phantom Zone criminals that destroyed all life on the PU Earth Dev-Em went in to the Legion's future LONG before Superboy died. The more I think about it the more I believe that this is the same Legion after the Magic War's and before the 5YL. And the more Levitz writes it as such the more it will be.
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Originally posted by Iam Legion: and with that I'll let it go and just agree to disagree. Many see it as the Original, but I do not. I didn't see the Earth 2 Superman or Batman as the originals either, just really close copies. That's all good!
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Edied for Blok's appearance and Glorith, as well as shortening the board game section.
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Added misspelling of Vyrga (again). Anything else I need to add?
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Should I add Paul's statement on Facebook that Mon-El and Shadow Lass are divorced?
This would seem to have big implications for continuity while being in no comic at all (except for the out-of-continuity board game).
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The problem in this case is that Facebook is also the only place he says that the board game is out of continuity. If I ignore his statement on Facebook about the divorce, I'll also have to ignore that, which would make things worse--not only does the board game mention the divorce, it mentions a bunch of other things that are problems.
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In Adventure #5, is a story with Superboy-Prime. His girlfriend is apparently back to life and there is a ring on her hand which is obviously supposed to be a white lantern, black lantern, or something. Has this ever been followed up on?
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Originally posted by Ken Arromdee: In Adventure #5, is a story with Superboy-Prime. His girlfriend is apparently back to life and there is a ring on her hand which is obviously supposed to be a white lantern, black lantern, or something. Has this ever been followed up on? SSSSSH!!!!!! I think we were all hoping that DC had forgotten about S-Prime, at least for a good long while.
First comic books ever bought: A DC four-for-47-cents grab bag that included Adventure #331. The rest is history.
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See, there is the problem with the concept of the existence of Superboy-Prime.
Supposedly, Earth-Prime is as similar to the world in which you and I live as it is possible to get.
Recently, we have had the tsunami in Japan, and the resulting nuclear mess.
In the past couple of years, we have had the Gulf oil spill, the iceland volcano, floods in the eastern U.S., Russia, and Pakistan.
These are disasters custom-made for a "Superboy", and presumably they are happening on Earth-Prime as well. But if Superboy-Prime does get involved in these disasters, Earth-Prime quickly diverges from "our" reality.
Too, this Superboy-Prime would probably want to end the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya by murdering the respective populations of those countries.
But in order for Earth-Prime to remain Earth-Prime, Superboy-Prime must essentially do nothing.
Next time we have a DC/Marvel crossover, I want it to take place in the Hostessverse
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