Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes The Complete Continuity Match-Up Checklist: from Baxter to Levitz Relaunch (revised)

Bump.

I edited this to mention the reboot crossover problem, Durla in Adventure Comics, and Countdown not being in continuity. It seems that editing a post in a thread doesn't update the date, so nobody knows I added anything...

It'll be fun when we can shortly start crossing things off this list or further defining them! I might reread each issue of LSH just to do exactly that (naturally I would hope each issue isn't dedicated to ironing this out, but I hope it happens tangentially).

Adventure #11 had Chemical King in it for a second confirming his membership is the same as its always been.

(not sure if this was mentioned already).

So, we know Tyroc is still around from solicitations and therefore the statue thing is solved at long last.

I haven't read LSH #1 yet, but it deals with Imra & Garth's kids.

One request: everytime you update the first post, could you post a new post as well to this thread to tell us the updates? Just to satisfy my curiosity as to where we are.

I just edited it now for a minor update on Validus ("in progress") and to point out that the TMK name Garridian is now canon. (Admittedly, it wasn't a very smart idea keeping his name Validus to begin with. I can't imagine any parent actually doing that.)

Edit: Also to mention Chemical King in Adventure #11. In truth, the statues aren't really a problem since they're just statues and nothing says that a couple of them couldn't have been broken by a villain battle a week before the story. Although they were a problem back when Lightning Saga came out and everyone was trying to figure out what the continuity was like using the statues as clues. It's clear by now that the writer or artist was just careless.

Also, mentioning Saturn Girl's telekinesis.

Edited again to mention that Superboy was Superboy only in the future.

Regarding Saturn Girl 'having telekinesis', I said in the original LSH thread and still stand by it, that there is really no evidence at all that suggests that.

It is 100% pure speculation on the part of fandom based on some potential artistic renderings. It is not in the story at all and Paul even explains she is 'using her telepathy'.

I honestly don't think anyone can say she might have telekinesis until we actually hear the words "telenkinesis" in the LSH story.

I'd remove it. (I do see you put it under the 'possible mistakes' category though).

She's 'thinking' at a falling column on the top of page 24, instead of rescuing the people it's about to crush.

In the very next panel, she's snatching a child who is about to fall into a chasm, indicating that she is physically capable of pulling people out of danger. (Which what she *could* have to the couple about to be squished by the column, instead of floating there, watching them die, while 'using telepathy.')

So what is she doing in the top panel, again? Is she telepathically telling the couple about to die, "Hey, you're about to die. Sucks to be you. Before you die, have you seen my kids?" Is she telepathically sedating them, so they won't feel the pain as the stone breaks their bones and crushes their organs? Is she asking them if they have family she should notify about their untimely deaths?

What is the point of her using 'telepathy' in that top panel? Is she comforting them? Taunting them? Feeding off of their fear and devouring their souls? Ripping their bank-codes out of their brains, so that she can empty their accounts before they are legally declared dead in the post-crisis confusion?

The third/fourth panel similarly shows her using 'telepathy' while rubble falls onto a crowd of people. If she's using telekinesis to stop the rubble, well, that's useful. If she's just standing around with her hand to her temple, there's not really much justifcation for that. Is she telling everyone, again, that they are about to be squished? Is she apologizing for not being able to save them? Is she telepathically absorbing their psyches, so that, after their bodies are crushed and they 'die,' she can go back to earth and clone new bodies for them and telepathically download their thoughts and memories into these new clones, making it like they never died?

I dunno. There's no text saying one way or another. She's just depicted as floating there, watching people die, while using 'telepathy,' which, traditionally, isn't terribly useful against falling rocks.

On page 27 she 'uses telepathy' on a window and it breaks. The art makes it look like she did something to the window, but telepathy doesn't break glass. (Not even if she 'shouts real loud,' since, even if she's the Ella Fitzgerald of telepaths, you can't break a glass by thinking the right note.)

Looking at that panel in a vacuum, it's *entirely possible* that an earthquake just happened to break the window while she was floating there, using telepathy to try and find her boys, but, if that's the intent of that picture, it sure wasn't made clear, and, it's negated as a possibility in the very next frame, where we see the inside of the room, with lamps, a book stand, a computer monitor and even an action figure (the one on the desk, not the one on the floor) *all standing up.* If an earthquake had broken the window, the action figure, at least, would have fallen over, and probably the books from the shelves, etc., etc.

So even when I try to go out of my way to make an excuse for how the breaking window wasn't telekinesis, the very next frame works against me and says, 'no earthquake here.'

If Paul does not intend for her to have TK, then awesome, 'cause I don't think that the woman who can read thoughts, send thoughts, knock out Mon-El and Ultra Boy with a glance, create psychic illusions, mind control people, detect the presence of thinking minds, incite or suppress emotions, telepathically sedate people, etc. really *needs* another power.

Saturn Girl, like most telepaths, is crazy good. She doesn't need Telluses powers, too.

I don't know if this was an artistic flub, or a writer flub, but it was a flub, even if the flub was no text stating that she was absorbing the dying people's minds telepathically, with the intent of spitting them out into cloned bodies later.

But, IMO, the option that she was using telepathy to 'save their data before the hardware was squished' is *less likely* than that she was intended by the artistic representation to be affecting stone and glass with her powers.

Levitz clearly did not intend for her to have TK, so I'd chalk it up to Cinar's unfamiliarity with the characters.

I'd agree from the scans of the two pages that it's hard to interpret them any other way.

Set, we're in total agreement about what's Paul's intentions might be--definitely don't want Imra to have the TK.

Eryk is very likely right and its an artistic mistake. But Paul does not expressly state she has TK so I would say she does not have it. Likely it will not be addressed ever again.

I would chalk this up to another 'statues in Lightning Saga' debacle.

*If* there was any TK being used, than quite simply, she was using her flight ring to do it.

Or the simple answer which no one has mentioned... as a Legionnaire she is used to acting in emergencies. Most Titanians are not even though they may have powers which she does not.

She may simply be using her powers to control some of the other poeple in an emergency and using their TK powers to stop the falling column, debris, etc.

Someone upthread may have mentioned the possibility that she was somehow 'gestalting' the power of the other Titanians, pooling all of that telepathic power to do things that no telepath could do (although I'm pretty sure they didn't use the word gestalt).

There's also the possibility that Titanians, already long-ago associated with mental changes as a result of the rings of Saturn, might have additional psychic powers on Titan, which they don't have off-world.

But none of that was mentioned, and for it to be assumed without any text would be like assuming that Braalians also can transform into a giant metal form, but only on Braal, so we've never seen Rokk do it before.

Sure, *we* can come up with explanations for how she appeared to do something not in her traditional power-set, but should *we* be the ones doing this?

I just pay for the comic, I shouldn't have to fill in the missing text, any more than I should be expected to color in an uncolored page.

[Although that sort of thing could be funky, and I'd love to see what Loser Lad would do with an uncolored version of a Legion book!]

This may be a fairly minor, easily dealt with thing, but I noticed it when I was reading the issue:

Saturn Girl says something in this issue about never having been religious, but she and Garth baptized Graym on Titan in v3 #16.

Tromium mentioned in her review that Dr. Aven seems to have replace Professor Vndaar as Imra's Titanian mentor, although I suppose she could have had more than one mentor.

Imra's always been a space hussy, she probably went through mentors the way we go through chewing gum!

Or, being perhaps the strongest telepath of her generation, she might have had teachers and trainers and mentors politicking behind closed doors for the opportunity to work with her!

Okay, it's in.

This one probably falls into the category of examples where Paul can't remember every little thing he wrote 25 years ago.

It could be that:

a) She participates in religious customs, without considering herself particularly religious.

b) It was Garth's idea to baptize the kid

c) The "baptism" isn't really a religious ceremony, but some sort of similar, secular Titanian custom

Over on the DC boards there's a thread about Saturn Girl in the preview for Adventure #12 claiming to be an orphan, *and* someone saying that a fan contacted Levitz on Facebook and it's just a mistake. This is now added.

See here.

I wonder if Garridian Ranzz was also just another mistake, not an intentional use of 5YL material. This one's probably okay, though, since I don't see why she would want to call him Validus.

I'd say that, as with Aven, it is an intentional incorporation of later material. Paul probably realized how silly it was to call the baby "Validus" (especially with another monster Validus running around), and decided to go with the previously established name.

Would someone please explain the whole Garridian mess for me? I thought that Darkseid basically stole Garridian out of Saturn Girl's womb before he was even born, and Saturn Girl didn't even realize she had a second child. The idea of Garridian didn't occurr until the 5YG. So this is a MAJOR difference from the original to what is happening now.

I hashed this one out on another board and found very few people were concerned about this discrepancy. There's been more talk about Saturn Girl's TK, in fact, and that's something I didn't notice at all. But FWIW, after reviewing the Baptism issue:

* the ceremony took place on Titan, as you mentioned. So if it were Garth's idea, seems to reason the ceremony would have happened on Winath.
* the Interlac displayed at the church was John 3:16, plus there were crosses galore, so it wasn't a generic, unspecified custom.

Yes, Darkseid stole the child without Imra's knowledge. However, she got the child back in one of the v3 annuals. Bizarrely, she and Garth still referred to the kid as "Validus" through the end of Levitz's run. The name "Garridan" is from 5YL.

Hmm... it's been ages since I've read that issue. I didn't remember it being so Christian-specific.

Maybe we can chalk it up to her now suddenly being an orphan?

As long as 'new Imra' isn't parentless because of her high midichlorian count and some prophecy about bringing balance to the universe, I'm satisfied.