Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes The Complete Continuity Match-Up Checklist: from Baxter to Levitz Relaunch (revised)

Actually, if I recall correctly, in the Supergirl tie-in to Countdown, Lu tells Kara that her other body is back in the 31st (I recall her telling someone that. Pretty sure it was Kara).

Also - Querl mentions (in thoughts) that he is carefully telling Kara only certain things, and behaving a certain way - based upon what she had told him of that very team-up.

that basically clinches that she is the same Kara he knew.

that might have been simply bowing to family traditions. plenty of people go through the motions, especially for key life rituals, but don't consider themselves religious.

As I suggested :

Fun thread! Although we need someone to start a thread on the character aspects of the new Legion, just to balance the AR aspect of this thread!

On KK and Lu in JLA, JSA and Countdown: I think it was made pretty clear somewhere along the way that these two were somehow snatched out of time immediately prior to their deaths for their mission to the past, which is why, at the end of the Lightning Saga, they are forbidden to return to the future. The why and how of this seems iffy to me, although I guess you could argue that Val, at least, was critical to the Lightning Saga (catching Bart Allen in a bottle...rod) and Brainy wouldn't let a little thing like death get in the way of a mission (and the Legion was overtaxed and short-handed at that time because of the JLE thing).

Also, on the excellent Legion of Substitute Podcasters interview with Levitz, he's clear that we read too much into Imra's TK poses and claims about religion. He noted that he's Jewish but willingly participated in the baptism of his 3 kids into his wife's faith.

More annoying to me at the moment is the status of the Legionnaires' homeworlds and whether they are "aliens" or mutated human colonists. Saturn Girl refers to Titan as a "colony" in Legion #1 when a month earlier it was the resettlement site of the Lanothians.

I don't sweat stuff like this.

It could be as simple as that J'emm's people never let Titanians forget that they were not indigenous to Titan,

Or

The original Lanothian population was joined by a larger Earth colonist population, and blending over time retained a world-view that traced itslineage more to Earth than to Lanoth (or whatever that world was called),

Or

Within entrenched Lanothian culture, any settlement away from the homeworld is still thought of as a colony, and there is still yearning for an ancestral place that exists only in collective memory,

Or

any number of other things

This is a perfect example of why I myself prefer just to enjoy the story and not worry too much about little things like that. There are bound to be a few inconsistencies.

No character (Imra, or anyone else) is going to think of her own history the way her ancestors experienced it. There is always blurring into mythology over time; details are lost, parts are invented.

But they died in Lightning Saga. How could they be snatched from before their deaths so that they could die in a different way?

Also, Luornu, at the point where she reveals she can split into a lot of bodies, makes a reference that sounds an awful lot like one of her bodies died in Countdown.

These two snippets, of course, tie together interestingly.

Winathians are now 'aliens' and not human colonists. Titanians are now 'aliens' and not human colonists.

Which of them is Catholic, again?

Modified to add a mention of the date inconsistency in Adventure #12, as well as Dev-Em.

There are any number of fun possibilities to resolve these discrepancies, but I doubt they would be worth a story. One could imagine, for instance, that at some point the Lanothians "convinced" themselves they were an Earth colony--maybe during a period when Earth was aggressive, or just really, really cool. It's not at all unusual for ethnic groups to have completely fictitious origin stories -- like the Romans with Aeneas, Romulus and Remus, the Romanians with the Dacians. And if anyone could pull off such self-deception, it's telepaths. Or, as you all point out, the Titanians may have always thought of themselves as a colony, a people displaced from their true home, and not necessarily welcome to the Saturnians.

As to the Catholicism thing, on word: Evangelism!

And the KK/Lu thing: I didn't mean to imply that the official explanation made ANY sense. I just repeated the official explanation. I gave up on Countdown a few issues in, and don't feel any need to defend it. The Lightning Saga is another matter, since it's important to the new book's backstory.

Do you have a reference and a quote for them having been snatched from the past? I don't have any issues of Countdown.

Of course, even with such a quote, it still makes no sense, because then they couldn't be killed off a second time.

Added a line about Batman not recognizing Karate Kid in Countdown. Note: I don't have the issue myself so other people will need to confirm it.

Added a reference to Saturn Queen, Echo, and Beauty Blaze being in Lo3W. This technically isn't something that happens offscreen, but it's sort of a special case.

I do need to know if and how we can be sure that those aren't alternate timeline versions, however. If they are, they don't count and Saturn Queen's first appearance is now, while we haven't seen the others at all.

This is soooo helpful! Thank you!

Changed the paragraph about reboot and threeboot crossovers--Action #864 establishes that at least some of them happened.

Next edit: mentioning the inconsistency about whether Titanians come from Lanoth or Earth.

Edited again:
1) Mentioning that Rond Vidar was revealed as a member in Legion of Three Worlds
2) Mentioning the Levitz interview in which he says that Legion of Three Worlds isn't in continuity.

is Val meeting Robin in his Comic still continuity ?? as well as val traveling to the 20th century just more modern like in the 90s than the 70s? (though it would most likely be nightwing than one of the robin's)

Edited again for Adventure 516.

Added the Adventure #1 last page panels, and moved the Dev-Em reference. And I added the Adventure #516 retcons. Any retcons I missed?

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Added now.

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But it's Levitz contradicting Levit in order to fit with the grand continuity of the DCU!

I already mentioned that. Though I didn't notice it was caused by Superboy time travelling on his own. Actually, if it was caused by Superboy time travelling on his own, then Paul had to retcon away Annual #2. Paul doesn't write Superman; he doesn't get to decide what powers Superboy has.

"Annnnnd in the red corner, we have Paul Levitz, grizzled veteran of a thousand campaigns, former CEO of DC comics, squaring off against the plucky newcomer in the blue corner, his younger self, the Paul Levitz of the 1980s!"

"FIGHT!"