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vril vs querl, b2 vs b5, who wins?!

This is tough.

Vril is very ruthless. Pre-boot Querl isn't. Three-boot Querl is as ruthless, I think.

I would say that ultimately, Querl would have an advantage in being able to study his ancestor and his methods of attack.

Querl, one he has a 1000 years ahead of Vril,

Two, Querl got Legion backing him up, and that trumps L.E.G.I.O.N. any day of the week.

Querl also, because he has the advantage to have studied Vril.

It might depend on when they had their little face-off, however. An experienced Vril might be older and wiser - or just sneakier - than the young Querl.

3boot Querl has grown up enough to actually love someone other than himself ~ Nura.
That alone, puts him way ahead of Vril, imo.

The Allies beat the Nazis, after all.

the new brainy's didn't fight that much they just kinda stood and comment in fights so, even if they studied Vril's moves i dont think they would be practiced enough.

for pre-boot
i'm going with Vril, cause Brainy got his ass kicked by Lobo, and Vril kicked Lobo's ass so by math rules Virl would win

V>L+Q<L=V>Q

Vril has more strengths but I think maybe also more weaknesses.

Vril has even more ego that Querl. I think Querl finds a way to get Vril to defeat himself.

i think vril, since he'd fight SO SO DIRTY.

Querl .. Old school Legion fan here. I have to be true to the original original. Vril is a pale imitation with a bad attitude.

Vril would probably beat Querl. Vril and ThreeBoot Querl are both ruthless, but Querl's ruthlessness is constrained somewaht by the LSH, while Vril is definitely the top-dog of L.E.G.I.O.N. and therefore is able to do as he sees fit.

In .LEGION, Vril was kept in check by the others:
Lyrissa ~ who stayed just TO keep him accountable
Captain Comet ~ more and more powerful in the organization
Phase ~ who took over for Lyrissa, really
The Dryad (I forget her name)
and finally
Stealth.

His own son even kicked him out!
Now, this Silica, computer personality.
Plus whomever is behind the computer!

He's bad but not THAT bad!

Atleast Querl was never actually running for his life from the Legion!

Vril may have beaten Lobo (good argument there), but again, he's been kicked uot of LEGION again, and I'm sure it won't be the last time...

Plus I'm an old-school Legion fan and taking into account all three brainy's, I have to say each and every one of them would probably already have a defense anticipated.

I picked Querl, because, IMO, he'd find Vril's selfish calculating opportunism (and inability to function *within* an organization, rather than just be at the top bossing people around) to be self-limiting and predictable.

Hear, hear!

By the way, I find that the reboot DnA Brainy 5.1, or is it 5.2 (whatever) to be sadly underestimated!

He may be younger, I guess, but he has kick butt potential.
For one thing, he has proven that he can actually work WITH his team, rather than just using them.

He also, has the advantage of always being interfaced with computers ~ Silica wouldn't have been able to get the drop on him, I think.

oooh, i dunno, wouldn't that maybe put him in a weaker position? he's usually bossing nonsentient things, not an eye-searingly pink, shiny, sentient liquid computer mostly made of booty...and we all know that booty is querl's weakness.

i was reading through l.e.g.i.o.n. last night...vril dox cries a lot. like more than i expect. my cohort posits that querl tends to build a doomsday device instead.

Vril
..if you interpret "vs" as meaning instant, face to face, Brainiac to Brainiac, Coluan martial-arts style (whatever that may be) brutalizing then I think Vril has the chops to ruthlessly burn down anything in his path. Even Querl.

Querl
..if you mean both Brainiacs in their full glory with belts and rings and computers and allies and armies and space ships then I'd have to call it for Querl. For instance the Lo3W Querl Dox wouldn't hesitate to disable/lock up/defeat his "barbaric" ancestor..if he can find the time. He's very busy.

Have you seen pictures of Silica?!
That would be hard to beat, at least for 3boot Brainy and maybe, for the older model, Vril.

But Brainy 5.1 was a little young for the 'booty' thing to mean much to him yet.
At least, I don't remember him being much inclinded that way.

Maybe when he was in the past for awhile, Supergirl, ya know, and also Andrameda in the beginning, but during DOA, he was pretty uninterested.

There was just a little connection with Umbra during Lost, I think.

You make a good point, though.

The cover of the June REBELS, has a little girl on a training potty holding what looks like a female robot mask.
If that's the 'new' Silica maybe Brainy 5.1 would do just fine against her!

I'd vote for Querl over Vril, especially if it's the original or first reboot version. Waidboot and Vril would come to a dead heat, since they're the same character with different names.

Querl and Vril would both be able to gather allies, but Querl's would be there because they want to be, whereas Vril's would be there as a result of blackmail or strong-arming of some kind.

If allies don't enter the equation, then future tech wins. If that, too, is discounted... if the fight's hand-to-hand with no tech allowed... well, Querl must've soaked up some of Karate Kid's skill by osmosis. Otherwise, Vril'd probably have the edge.

A interesting side question: who'd be the best able to defeat 'Big Daddy' Brainiac I?

well in those showcase issues, vril and querl teamed up to hit B1 repeatedly with sticks...

Well we ended up with a tie here.

In terms of a "who would win in a showdown" vesus, I'd go with Querl - he's got a thousand year's worth of knowledge on top if Vril.

In terms of "who do you like better" versus, I'd go with Querl as well. He's more of a hero and while Vril's machinations can be fun to read, Querl strikes me as much healthier emotionally. (and that's uncluding "mad scientist" Brainy!)

i still think vril would win

Querl wont kill
Vril will

and Vril's the kid of prick that would take advantage of that, also querl might be scared that he would do something to Vril that would make him unable to have kids, there for stooping him from being born

One of Legion of Substitute Podcasters suggested Vril versus Amanda Waller. Now I can't get that idea out of my head.

they should mate and have the meanest babies.

Now that's an image I definitely want out of my head.