Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Legion of Super-Heroes #3 - SPOILERS

I think it's just laziness. Since all the Legionnaires can fly and function in space, it makes it easier if their opponents can too.

Didn't the LSVers breathe/fly in space during the v3 LSH/LSV war?

Set:

Not quite. Cosmic King - remember, his powers are transmutation, not magnetism - is shown transforming a piece of debris into the ring in question, presumably into a piece of Element-152. That should enable flight, although the full range of Legion Flight Ring abilities (e.g., communications and tracking) would probably require circuitry which is not present in the LSV rings.

Yeah, I mentioned that two posts down from the one you quoted, where I offered non-sarcastic ideas for how the LSV could have flight rings.

I just read #2 and #3 at once and I really enjoyed them quite a bit. Each issue has been not only good but a progressively better issue than the previous one. Paul is hitting his stride on the pacing / dialogue end of things and his old strengths continue to be a pleasure: action sequences, using a huge array of Legionnaires and creating multiple plotlines.

I also like the explanations he subtly provides for all the little continuity gaffes that preceded him. It's neat to know he's reading Legion World and sees where we pick up on the continuity trivia that is pretty ridiculous to keep track of--and then addresses it. It's kind of like a little game we're playing.

The art is terrific but I agree that the inkers are kind of hurting the book more than anything. That's my one major complaint I'd like to see improved.

Honestly, these three issues are better than any Legion material we've seen in YEARS.

Random thoughts;

I like the purple bubbles from Cos' magnetism on page three better than the concentric rings they've been using lately (which are fugly, IMO).

Kirt's GL uniform is not flattering. It looks like he has a girdle holding in his beer gut or something (and I know he has that normally, but it's just way more in-your-face with the green and white...). So not slimming.

I like that Cos sends a team to help him, figuring that whatever the Ring thinks is a threat to sentients is worth a team of Legionnaires.

Cinar draws Saturn Queen so much better than Perez. There, I said it. I can go directly to hell for this blasphemy now...

The way Imra tells Garth to 'Open for me' and he's 'Got it. We'll find them.' says everything about their relationship I wanted to see in a pair of panels on p 10. Very smooth. I imagine that this is what Shooter meant by a good synergy between writer and artist leading to 'visual storytelling.'

Hints that Garth has holes in his memory on p 12? Hmm. There's a plot hook there, dangling in front of me. So shiny. Must. Not. Bite. Hook...

The picture of Sun Boy reaching down, arms trailing fire, lending power to Earth-Man on p 22 is interesting. Nice use of perspective in the pose, and to someone who has grown used to anatomy in comic-books being an afterthought, it's nicely composed.

I do not get the Goose Girl comment on p 28. Did she 'goose' Saturn Queen?

Cinar's art, if there isn't some guest artist in a few pages or panels, can be wildly inconsistent. Saturn Queen looks completely different on the top of the p 28, and Jo looks very cartoony, almost anime, on p 30 where Jeckie uses her powers to make the mind-controlled Legionnaires see her as Saturn Queen giving them a command to 'attack the Legionnaires' while placing an illusion of the Legionnaires over Saturn Queen's position.

On the other hand, Jeckie has never looked better in that asstacular costume as she does on the bottom of p 30 (and on p 31, standing over SQ), telling them to 'do as your queen commands!' She's got some serious back going on, and even has a little bit of a tummy. By comic-book standards of beauty, even those tiny hints of Jeckie being a 'full-figured gal' are pretty rare. Or is it a hint? Did Karate Kid's brief resurrection actually have consequences and is their a royal bun in the oven?

The group scene on 33 (why no page numbers? Arg!) gives a nice view of Sun Boy's new costume, of which I now approve. It retains enough classic elements to work for me.

Invisible Jacques skunk-lock is back. I was wondering if it had grown back dark in the years since the GDS and was all dark again as a sign that he wasn't the frightened rookie that he was during the GDS. Apparently not. Just a coloring error. His costume looks like he should be performing with Stryper...

We get our first good look at Element Lad's costume on p 34, and I like everything but the pixie gloves. It will never replace the green and blue look as my favorite, but it's probably the second-best look he's ever had.

Cinar doesn't seem to like drawing wrists very much, as almost all of the boy Legionnaires have something going on to obscure that area. Generally, I don't mind, but the brown wrist-wrap bracers on Sun Boy kinda break up the lines of the rest of his costume, and the folded up mini-gloves on Element Lad's costume look kinda goofy...

I must say, I'm really, really enjoying the Legion's rebirth and Paul's handling of it. This is the way I like my Legion to be written!

Happy camper here.

You're just going to HAVE to learn to bitch and moan some more like the rest of us, if you ever hope to fit in around here, Doctor One.

Just read # 3...

Projectra looked AWFUL... please put her back in the blue/purple Sensor Girl outfit (or some variation thereof) from the late Baxter run.

The art is fine. Cinar's covers (2 and 3 anyway) are EXCELLENT though.

I kinda liked how Earth Man decided the power of a GL is not for him... it's like one of those deals where you may THINK being an actor or rock star or super-powerful would be awesome but then it turns out it sucks hard eggs. Nice resolution.

I'm happier with the Legion than I've been since the first handful of issues of DnAs THE LEGION. That's good.

I agree that Ayla's outfit is better than Tasmia's and some of the others.
I'm not fond of the underpant look, though, on her or any of them.
I'm not happy with mixing the era's, either.

That being said, I enjoy Cinar's art.
His Saturn Queen is magnificent, really, and like Set said, he has some lovely storytelling moments.
He makes Imra's 'look' work, including that funky costume.
I think that he'll probably develop over the next few years into a superstar.

I DO wish the colorist would get things straight more though.
I imagine it's hard getting everything right though, especially for Legion fans.

I really dislike Ayla and Shady's costumes...they just seem to be a step backwards maturity-wise for both of them. Then again, Ayla seems to be with Brin again, so maybe a step backwards is kind of the point..?

Shady, I totally agree on Cinar's Saturn Queen. "Magnificent" is the perfect word for it--she looked so regal and full of authority. Loved it!

I have a lot of problems with the Levitz3 Legion, and this issue in particular. The dialogue is clunky, the art is erratic, the plots flip-flop all over the place, and secondary characters like Saturn Queen and Harmonia Li leech panel time for no apparent reasons connected to the central storylines. Tyroc turned into a meat-puppet after years in limbo seems like a nasty joke against a character the writer admittedly doesn't like. Unless Sensor Girl has the Id-manipulating powers of evil 3boot Projectra, I'm at a complete loss to explain how she defeated SQ. I'm bored at the prospect of Earth-Man getting all lovey-dovey with the Legionnaires, and I dislike seeing favorites like Element Lad being jobbed to him. Three issues in and we wind up at The Great Darkness Theme Park - which has "hoax" written all over it. My patience is wearing thin.

Then I stop to think of the ugly alternative -- the Legion written by Geoff Johns or one of his peons like James Robinson, had Levitz not stepped in. I will give Mr. L. the rest of the arc to change my mind, if only because he seems to honesty *care* about the Legion, whereas his immediate predecessors obviously didn't give a crap. Plus, he's willing to openly reject some of their worst junk (Titan colonized by bottle city Lanothians, etc.), and overturned at least one of the stale, old romances (Shady/Mon) Johns had reintroduced for no better reason than earning some nostalgia points. I figure that's worth the benefit of the doubt of two or three more issues.

The artwork may have failed to convey this, but I thought that Sensor Girl had used illusions to trick the mind-controlled Legionnaires into thinking that *she* was Saturn Queen, and cast an illusion of the Legionnaires they were supposed to beat up over the place where Saturn Queen was standing, so they ended up beating her up instead, while the illusions of Tinya, Jo, Tellus, etc. faded away as Saturn Queen took it on the chin.

I certainly can't dispute the rest of it. Element Lad has already been shown as capable of altering the atmosphere of a planet single-handedly (in the Great Darkness Saga, no less), so Earth-Man and his GL ring should have been surplus to the requirements, and it sure as heck shouldn't have been Kirt that thought of how to use Jan's powers to address the situation.

I do like the look on Jan's face, 'though, as Earth-Man reaches out to absorb his power. He sure didn't look fond of the liberty being taken...

I think I am with Tromium and IAM Legion at this point. Issue #3 has been very weak, suffering for dull dialoguing, all-over-the-place plot scheming (but not in a good Levitz-Giffen way) and really awful pacing. It seems clear to me that Levitz did a whole amount of re-writing for issue #1 and now he is proof-checking less as the amount of work and time consumes him. It reads badly.
I think Shooter, if given this original team, would still be writing a better book (in fact, his last 5 issues were way better than these 3 ones). I'll give Levitz the benefit of being out of touch with writing for some time. To be frank, Robinson managed to write the voice of the characters better too.
And I hated the last scene. It seems so obvious DC would try to come up with Great Darkness Saga II so soon that is painful. So far, very underwhelmed. And don't even get me started at that awful Adventure Comics run. Kevin Sharpe is NOT a good choice of artist (he still needs a LOT of practice to be in a DC book) and stories are really, really badly written. Painfully dated.
Looking forward to Legion Annual with Giffen, though. That's the good stuff.

I wonder if people feel something physical when Earth-Man absorbs their power, like they're being drained. It could be a pretty creepy feeling.

A good question. Colossal Boy also looks displeased at the riots when Earth-Man 'borrows' his power. Dirk is the only Legionnaire as of yet that has willingly given him a dose of power, while he's taken it from Gim (twice) and Jan without asking.

Even if it doesn't feel creepy, it's certainly rude!

This sort of thing never really came up with characters like Duplicate Boy or Amazo or the Composite Superman, since they didn't have to touch the individual they were mimicing.

If that feeling's vaguely sexual, perhaps that's what leads to issue 6's hook-up!

That would also explain Dirk's willingness to give him a dose of his power!

I just picked up #3 variant with Cham/Validus and it looks ok but nothing "wow" for me. Lee's previous 2 covers (Saturn Girl, Superboy/Krypto) were much better, and especially the background detailing which seems rushed and pretty boring with this issue.

Does anyone know what Legionnaire will be featured next month and how many variants in total will there be?

Dirk will donate power, but only if he gets to be on top?

Ew!

Ok, Earth-Man has ditched the GL ring. So, what was the point of him getting it in the first place? Is the ring going to become some kind of hot potato like the "H" dial or something? There really didn't seem to be any point to giving him that ring other than the sheer surprise of it. I'm still interested to see where this goes, I just hope it actually goes somewhere fairly soon.

[cynical] To trick GL compleatists into buying the book? [/cynical]

Hopefully, Paul will show that his absorbency power was the reason he was chosen or something and make it a part of the upcoming storyline or else I'll agree with you guys. Maybe we'll see a moment in which he uses the green will power energy he absorbed from the ring to save the day or something.

OR...maybe the ring needed to leech off of his power/Legionnaires power for something and that's why chose Kirt. I just hope a reason is given.

He couldn't have gotten it due to his fearless virtue.

can someone show us the jim lee variant covers?
i'd LOVE to see them.
thanks!