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Frank's Lana IS crushworthy! Hubba!

OMG, I will go into total fanboygasms if Johns re-inserts Lana as Insect Queen!

I don't know what they'll do with Supergirl in this origins.

Kara was erased from everything and the new Kara was in Legion Prime, which is so strange since she didn't time travel really.
She just followed that Dominator ship through normal space at near light speed which slowed time down for her AND the ship so that she didn't age very much (days or hours.)

I don't know how she could have found herself in another universe, given those circumstances.

And on Insect Queen ~ the older version of Lana, seen in Superman and Action, had an incident with a real, alien, insect queen who did some DNA stuff with her and she's having physical consequences with it.
If Johns has the teen version become Insect Queen, and he uses a ring the way the original version did, maybe the ring actually changed Lana on some physical level, too, and that's what drew the alien to her.
Combined, the two experiences might change Lana permenantly into something we haven't seen yet.

Or not.

There's a preview of issue 2, Superboy and the Legion of Superheroes - Seems to be 4 wasted pages that could have been used for LSH. Nevertheless, the art is great, especially, the 4th page.

http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=31522

Without getting too spoilery, the preview has interesting implications for Luthor's eventual antipathy towards Superman...

Nice homage on the last page of the preview (though I agree on the wasted space thing).

How do you know it's wasted space when you don't know what it's setting up, which it's obviously doing.

Comics are about art, as well as story.

Did you notice the attention to detail?

The guy's not just mean and a drunk, or possibly a mean drunk, but he's a slob, too, with no self respect.

Did you see the leaves in the bottom left corner of the cliff?

How about the cape flairing in the wind?

sigh
Kids, storytelling isn't only about talking and fighting.

Sometimes, it's about a moment that makes everything else make sense, or the first time ever, that something happens ~ a beginning.

And the richness, the epiphany, is in the slowed time and the details seen.
Those things are what make the memory you treasure forever.

Does anyone notice on both covers Brainy's scowling?

Candle, I might agree with you if every Johns written Legion-related story wasn't just a bunch of wasted pages with no story...IMHO...and that includes L3W.

True art was when everything that took 4 pages to show in this comic was done in a single, terrific splash page. And all of it was for only 10¢ (or any price under $1) and not $3.99.

Did they have terrific splash pages in the 10c era?


I know what you mean about drawn out, contentless stories, though, and this probably could have been done in two.
But, I'd prefer three pages because I love to luxuriate in the images.

Is the $3.99 after the dealer discount?!
gads

On the first one he's smirking

Also, does the presence of Brainy place his induction before superboy rather than 10/11th? With the lack of Supergirl (or andromeda but now Kara's back I'd rather they stuck with her) what is his induction story?

Oh Candle but if they'd moved the story on, imagine the glorious splashes you'd get to luxuriate in that didn't involve a guy falling off a cliff in a truck or a bridge and a bike or...


Speaking of old splash pages, one of my favorites was Validus pounding through town. Not 10cent but maybe still 12?


BTW: anyone notice that Johns did manage to get his signature decapitations into issue #1?

What's bugging me is the inconsistency. Remember the Legion telling Clark not to worry that he won't have to hide behind his specs forever? and at the end of the Action arc telling him to hide his costume?

The implication being that Clark had never taken off his glasses before meeting the Legion and that he got his suit in the 30th C.

Well here he is pre-Legion flying around in his super-suit.

You don't expect them to read their own comics do you?

I feel a little better about it. Johns has been ignoring every other comic story published to date. It's nice to see him ignore his own work too.

Upon reading the issue, I see that Johns fit it all in perfectly. Still, would have been nice to see more Legion and less drunk Lex father or even Lex.

Super Hi-Res Version

Cute!
Tinya, especially, looks much more mature ~ at least a couple of years, maybe more.

The xenophobia is really grating now especially right back in the early days.

The Legion stealing time bubbles, fighting with SPs. Does Johns think this is the threeboots? What happened to the deputised Legionnaires?

And Mordru and the Time Trapper before Superboy. Not to mention flight rings.

This is a Legion history Jim. But not as we know it.

Yeah, I was unimpressed with Issue #2 for the same reason. I thought the whole Xenophobic thing happened after Crisis when Earthman uncovered the fake evidence that Superman was human (planted by the Trapper, right?). To see it at the outset, as well as the antagonistic relationship with the SP is jarring.

I'd have to dig out the Action issues, but was there anything significantly different about this version of the "Meeting"?

Something else else about Superboy's posture in that picture looks painful...

Lu and Tinya are cute. They totally look like they should be hanging around a malt shop talking about who they are going to take to the sock hop.

only criticism of this issue and its a minor one...shouldn't it have been Lu who said "ohmygoshohmygosh!" ? you know her being the one with the supercrush?

oh by the way did anyone notice and get a whole Luthor vibe from the first xenophobe "you alien. say it say 'earth is for humans!".

oh and yeah the legion should have more respect from the SP's this point in time in the original time line...but since this is a reboot with some differences...i can make allowances for that...especially since the legionnaires are supposed to be all of the age of Majority in the UP and not looked down as "kids"


More Observations...Lex and Brainy are like totally the same except Brainy had the sense to make and have friends inspite of his feelings of intectual superiority. Who knows maybe Kara in this time line also helps him out with becoming more rounded.

And if i use a little psychology 101 with Lex...seems like he's retreated into being intellectual because his father totally did not appreciate, accept and understand him. Of course because he was an alcoholic only made things worse...and it wouldn't suprise me if Lionel had actually sexually molested Lena...And speaking of Lena...I wonder where she is now (in the present).

and for those playing at home the Interlac translation on page 14, panel 5 & 6 are:

"There he is"

"Turn your legion flight ring translators on"

Page
"Center"

"Superman Museum"

I've read it again and apart from the jarring deviation from accepted Legion history, the thing that has just struck me is that this book was supposed to explain how the Legion shaped the hero that Superman was going to be.

Well stealing a time bubble, fighting with SPs and internal bickering hardly seem the way to make a hero.

Garth showed Kal to 'enjoy' defeating an enemy and that was it.

It would have been better if the old Adventure 247 tests had been used to test out Kal's powers and then start him in a proto-Legion academy. The animated Legion (that Johns has obviously stolen from) did it so much better albeit they had a full series not 13 pages.

The 'Krypto turned up the same day' ending only diluted it even further. If Johns had set the last pages say a year later and Clrk was explaining why he went to the future so much and what he had learnt, it would have worked so much better.

All illusions that this is the pre crisis Legion have been thrown out the window. I was always on board with Action 276 coming before Adventure 247 as per the Archive recolouring but this story doesn't even fit with that concept

Brainy is a member before Superboy, so that much is consistent but the whole which came first (Action 276/Adv 247) question is irrelevant without Supergirl.

I haven't read it yet (and may not for another week, we'll see), but it's important to remember this was NEVER about a literal return to every detail of the original Legion continuity. This was ALWAYS about Geoff Johns believing that the original approach to the Legion was very important to the Superman mythos, and restoring the Legion to that position. If you want a Legion very much like the original one, you will get it. But there's no doubt that, as long as Johns is involved, there can be significant changes to those details. It will be very interesting to see how Paul Levitz reacts to getting to know the Johnsboot, and what he does with it when he gets the keys.

Exactly! It's a pipe dream that any writer should have to stick 100% with any kind of continuity (I mean really, if continuity were such a big deal Batman -dead or alive, would be at least 90 years old by now right? If continuity helps the plot and to make a good story,develop the plot and lead to a more creative outcome, all right then, if not, drop it. It's just a story, that's an interpretation of someone else's original idea anyway co-opted by a big corporation in order to make money, not some ongoing meta-narrative that will one day unlock they key of the universe.

Not that I'm necessarily defending John's. I find his work a little cliche-ridden and emotionally manipulative for my taste. That being said, I liked issue #2 for the most part. I'm a fan of Gary Frank's art despite the fact that he seems to think that everyone is buck-toothed. Really don't understand the haters but to each, their own I suppose. I think John's and Frank are a pretty good team, they seem to be able to cancel out the others more annoying tendencies(I'd have to give more props to Frank for this though).

I must say, I enjoyed the little tête-à-tête between Brainaic 5 and Lightning Lad. The whole "NOBODY could figure a way out of this time-stream dilemma" thing was priceless.

So, my vote, so far, it's tits

Yeah, so I thumbed through it and the eyes seemed tones down so I picked it up. Stull got the lipless beaver teeth, but those I can deal with.

Just taking it on it's own merits then, as if this was the first introduction ever to a future club of superheroes?

It was enjoyable on it's own merits and other than the caveat mentioned below, I thought it did a decent job of introducing the team. The splash of Suberboy holding up the car was terrific.

The big inconsistency for me is the club formed to demonstrate diversity (I don't have the direct quote handy), love, peace, ya da ya da, doesn't jive with the 1950's antiestablishment depiction, the anti-SPs. Certainly nothing was presented to indicate that the SPs were anything but doing a normal policing job.

I'm not thrilled about the return to xenophobia theme. Wasn't interesting to me as a central theme after ZH. It's just too.... dark to read about month after month.

I prefer a happy place where sentients don't like each other over simple things like greed, envy, choice of edibles... that sort of thing.


I did think it cruel for them to send another rocket ship to Earth, this one carrying a recording of a dog barking.