Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes JSA/JLA/Legion Crossover (spoilers)

From the comics and interviews I've read, here's what my mind has pieced together:

- There's a so-called "New Earth" that came out of Alexander Luthor's interference during "Infinite Crisis"

- "52" #52 said that the universe (or was it just Earth?) started vibrating itself into 52 duplicate universes/worlds with the abundant amount of energy created by the (re)unification (or somesuch "rationale")

- "52" #52 also said that the evolved Mr. Mind apparently "ate" temporal portions from each of the universes/worlds. I'm inferring that Mr. Mind's act will be the source of divergence for the 52 universes/worlds, resulting in the "differences" that once existed in the multiverse.

It's very likely that the WaK Legion (currently being published) exists on one Earth's future while the Levitz Legion (Dawnstar et al) in another Earth, the DnA Legion (with Shikari et al) can be found in another and quite possibly even the LoSH in the 31st century/cartoon version in another.

It's also possible that, with the intro of some concepts such as "Captain Atom in the Wildstorm Universe" and "The Bleed" from the Authority, even other DC-owned universes will now become part of the "52 universes/worlds multiverse".

So yeah, it's plausible that what we have is the reinstatement of previous Legion versions in this new multiverse (i.e. WaK Legion in Earth 52, Levitz Legion in Earth 5, etc) versus the team's reboots within the context of 1 universe (i.e. all those stories published before the Zero Hour wipeout doesn't isn't in-continuity blah blah).

I believe however that this JLA/JSA/LSH crossover is intended to highlight whatever "Countdown" is counting down to, and that the appearance of a Legion in this JLA/JSA crossover is actually to emphasize the fact that some characters from 1 or several of the 52 universes/Earths is crossing over to another (ala Duela Dent & Red Hood as mentioned in Countdown), and you have Monitors trying to figure that out.

Hope that made some sort of sense...

but also note as the monitors point out in the countdown previews over on Newsarama


that people like Jason Todd, Donna Troy, Ion and Nightwing aren't supposed to exist in any universe and somehow break continuity and do.

So theoretically these legionaires may have been moving throught time in the middle of a reboot and are stranded and worldless.

It looks like they will be around a long time as Karate kid is one of the main characters in Countdown. and Starman stays with the JSA for at least a few issues after the crossover ends.


(also on the monitor screen we have WaK Brainy and cham and some strange guy while in the July solicit for SLoSH we have Cham and Brainy and Supergirl...any significance? maybe it's a scene from an upcoming ish?)

I didn't read it that way. I saw it as they shouldn't be on this new Earth.

Donna was already told by a Monitor that she not Jade was supposed to die on the space mission in IC. Ion was to be the GL of Earth 8 and Jason Todd came back because of SB Prime.

These characters do exist, just not in this New Earth.

"After all, is it really murder if these creatures shouldn't be alive in the first place?" - Monitor

Did anyone else notice that the Despero was the Despero of old? Not the mohawk fin Despero? Unless he changed back and I did not hear about it, I think this is a sign of the New Earth being Earth "1" the Siler Age earth...or maybe not. I can't really speculate at this point because I have no idea what is going to happen, but I like the characterization of the Legion in the crossover better than in the Legion's own book. Timber Wolf rocked! I hope this version does stick around...

Which I still thinks only implies to New Earth.

since nobody has posted it yet here is the preview of JSA #6
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/May07/previews/JSA_6.html

Who's the last legionnaire?

wow, nice preview. "Legion of three worlds"???

With the exception of Star Boy the Legionnaires featured so far are those introduced late 70's early 80s. In order of their "induction":

15. Thom Kallor (Star Boy, Sir Prize)
22. Nura Nal (Dream Girl, Miss Terious)
23. Val Armorr (Karate Kid)
23. Projectra (Sensor Girl)
23. Andrew Nolan (Ferro Lad, Ferro)
26. Tasmia Mallor (Shadow Lass)
27. Condo Arlik (Chemical King)
27. Brin Londo (Lone Wolf, Timber Wolf, Furball)
29. Drake Burroughs (ERG-1, Wildfire, NRG)
30. Troy Stewart (Tyroc)
31. Dawnstar (Bounty II)

Andrew, Condo and Troy can be ruled out, I believe, because they were dead or gone before the "first" Crisis. That leaves Projectra or Tasmia as my guesses as to who the last Legionnaire could be. With Val alive and with the group I'm willing to bet he wouldn't let Projectra do it (though why Thom let Nura I don't know) so I'm going with Tasmia.

Late '60s-early '70s, don't you mean?

No, late 70's early 80's. As in 2975 through 2982, the dates based on the 2995 Sourcebook.

Hell yeah The Legion is back.
Long Live The Legion.

Nice, that preview above also showed Blok, Element Lad in his pink and black costume and Sensor! (Who was definitely a post-Vals-death thing, so some sort of Val-not-dead retconnage seems to be in the works...)

I assumed the "the last Legionnaire" meant the last of the seven in the 21st century - a "him"


"The future's too dangerous for Superman now"

-- Wild guess. Darkseid (or someone equally malevolent) rules their 31st century.

"Those mental safety block ... were the only way to conceal our thoughts from Saturn Girl"

-- Discounting villains, who'd be powerful enough to shield them from Saturn Girl? Saturn Queen?

"They risked their lives to save me...."

-- Yeah, so what ever happened to Nemesis Kid? (Forget the LSV War -- that's retcarnage.)

"...but now more than ever, the Legion needs their Big Three."

-- I suspect we've discovered the Dei Ex Machina of this story -- the other Holy Trinity.

"They can survive without one of us."

-- Well, obviously we're not going to survive without Karate Kid, at least for the next year, and Starman is carrying on in the JSA. I don't think anybody's gonna die in this story.

Exactly!

Is this refering to the three teams - Legion, JSA and JLA- or is it more about the different versions of the Legion? The Silver Age, the Modern and the New.

Or maybe they will 'die' the way Supergirl did in the JLU. She just stays in the future. Val stays in the past.

When they say suicide swamp do they mean Slaughter Swamp... and wouldn't Slaughter Swamp be a portal to other realities?

Wow!!!! Wow!!!! Wow!!!!

That preview is amazing! Can't wait for next Wednesday!

maybe but... it could be because there is a cloud of Kryptonite dust enveloping the Earth... Does anyone remember how they cleaned that up?

Hmm... if Color Kid never changed that cloud of kryptonite to blue k, not only would Superman be unable to return, but the 31st century Earth would be vulnerable to Bizarro Invasion!

I agree! Seeing Kal wearing his Legion flight ring gave me goose bumps!

"No, we were Legion"

So it seems we can rule out Brainy, LL, SG and Cos as the 7th Legionnaire and the object of their mission. So, what other Legionnaire or person affiliated with them would be important enough for them to travel back in time to revive? I can think of three that could logically be in the 21st century.

Kara, Lar, and RJ Brande.

Since Lar was reintroduced into this continuity in the Action Annual a few months ago, I'm not certain how this could possibly be him unless he died from lead poising before Kal could put him into the phantom zone and they are coming back to "fix" the past.

RJ would certainly be important enough to cause these Legionnaires to go on a suicide run. If he doesn't survive into the 31st Century, there is no one to bring together & finance the Legion at it's birth.

We know that a second Kara appears on the scene in the next issue of Supergirl. From the previews I've seen, it looks like she wears the same outfit as the Kara that died in Crisis. Could the real Supergirl be about to make a come back in the new DCU? And the fact that Brainy is the driving force behind this mission lends credence to this possibility.

My bet at this point is that it's most likely Kara.

"No, we were Legion"

Wow ... that has to be my favorite line in any comic book in the past ten years. Damn, gave me goosebumps. Can't wait to read that issue.

Jay-El

The companion quote to "dangerous" is "We should have told Kal ....what's happened to the Legion. What's happened to his name."

Add the remark last issue about an unknown being in the future "at the height of his power" and their 31st century doesn't look very rosy. I'm just guessing it's Darkseid who's busting their chops because he's supposed to be a big deal in Countdown. It could be somebody else.

mmmm, maybe not.

"We're here to save him, aren't we?" -- Dawnstar, JLA #9

Besides, how many more Supergirls can we possibly stand?

It's the "what's happened to his name" part that's important I think. The future is dangerous for Superman because he's universally despised or viewed as some kind of villain. I'm expecting they are here to change whatever event that Superman (probably inadvertently) causes. This leads credence to the idea that Kal-L probably needs to be revived to set things straight.