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Re: JSA/JLA/Legion Crossover (spoilers)
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<strike>And Sensor Girl would preclude Karate Kid...unless they plan to explain that.</strike>

Never mind, that's already been said. My question is how does this effect, Superman's time trip in "Time and Again," the 20th Century team in Final Night, etc., etc.

Sounds like a mess to me.
I have three words for you Nighty, and you may (re: probably) will not like them: Superboy Prime Punch.

I don't doubt that a great deal of DC's Legion continuity mess could easily be 'wiped away' with that same broad stroke. And I don't doubt that the current editors & writers are not unwilling to use it.

Even Sensor Girl and Polar Boy's costumes could be minor art mistakes...

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Not only Sensor Girl, but also Polar Boy's post-Crisis costume.

But, no, that's not what I was talking about. And I'm not going to give it away; I'm really curious to see how long it'll take people to notice on their own.
PS - I'm DYING to know!!

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Well, Sensor Girl first appeared in Baxter #14, which is supposedly set right before the Legion gets involved in the first Crisis. So, she straddles both pre- and post-Crisis continuities. Also to bear in mind, Sensor Girl was at that time intended to be pre-Crisis Kara Zor-El. It may not be Jeckie at all.

That doesn't explain Polar Boy's statue, however.

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Matthew,

Do you mean no Chemical King? Also missing Tyroc, Quislet, Tellus, & Magnetic Kid


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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:PS - I'm DYING to know!![/QB]
I will say this: it would have been so easily fixed, with just a little bit of art near Wildfire's feet.

Anyway, this won't be a big deal for everyone. Some people, like me, will be all, "Whatever." But I think there are a few on this board (probably nobody not on the board) who may actually be incoherent and incandescent with rage.

EDITED: Quislet got it. No Chemical King. I didn't do a careful count, so I didn't see who else wasn't there, but I did notice CK. Tyroc is the only other one who really should have been there, as far as I'm concerned; Tellus, Quislet and Magnetic Kid are from a later era, like Polar Boy's and Jeckie's costumes.

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Wildfire stepped on Violet and crushed her to death? laugh

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As Trom says that Sensor Girl may be Kara? But wait wouldn't that negate the original Supergirl on the team? this JLA's Supergirl is the current one.

As Nightcrawler said get ready for a mess. We got the PC Legion back sort of? They are going to streamline it? Karate Kid never died? Not sure if I like that.

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It all boils down to a(nother) rebooted Legion, that's all. People expecting them to do a straightline reset to Crisis are of course going to be non-plussed, but chances are they'll pick and choose what they want to use and let us haggle over the fine details.

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Discounting this whole Sensor Girl thing I haven't seen yet, I figured up until now that it was not 'Pre-Crisis Legion' that we were getting, but rather 'right after Great Darkness Legion'. Mainly b/c that's when the LoSH is generally seen as at its most popular and best (whether you believe it or not) and also because the Fourth World and Darkseid obviously play such a mega-prominent role in the next DC event/multiverse restoration/countdown thing.

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Clark asks "I always wondered what happened to them when they grew up". It's safe to say that this is some sort of 'Adult Legion' story.

I'll be willing to wager a few comix on the two guys that picked up the UltraHumanite back in 1948 in first issue.

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That doesn't explain Polar Boy's statue, however.
Sure it does, you dummy. Polar Boy was in Baxter #14, too.

<strike>Earth-One Superboy's very last appearance was Baxter #16, so it still fits.</strike>

EDIT: No, on second thought, Earth-One Superboy was last seen in #12.

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I'll be willing to wager a few comix on the two guys that picked up the UltraHumanite back in 1948 in first issue.
What's your theory?

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No the last time Superman saw them from his frame of reference was not when he was Super*** (Siegels made me strike this). He saw them as a young Superman during COIE.

Now what actually happened during crisis (in the context of current continuity, not in the series itself that's available in TPB)at this point is anyone's guess.

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I think Cobie is on to something with Great Darkness/Legion/Countdown.

I will be thrilled to see the real Wildfire again when I pick this up! Man, he's been missed. (I still remember what TMK did to him. Pfahh!)

I'm delighted that Superman has a connection to A Legion again. But here's what I'm wondering: did THAT Legion have a Mon-El in it? How could it, if Mon-El just now popped out of the Phantom Zone in the "current" Legion? (Man, this is getting confusing.) Is there a Mon-El in the statues in the Fortress? If so, how did he get back in the Phantom Zone to be rescued by the current Legion?

I look forward to some day when there is a Superman and a Legion, and we don't spend all this time wondering whether they'll be wiped from existence next month.


...but you don't have a moment where you're sitting there staring at a table full of twenty-five characters with little name signs that say, "Hi, my superpower is confusing you!"
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I'll be willing to wager a few comix on the two guys that picked up the UltraHumanite back in 1948 in first issue.
What's your theory?
If it's an Adult Legion Story and yet another alternate timeline. It's got to be a LSV story. Also Val died in a LSV story. Nura was going on about one of them dying in this upcoming adventure. We know it's not Val from editorial spoilers on the web.


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I think Cobie is on to something with Great Darkness/Legion/Countdown.


But here's what I'm wondering: did THAT Legion have a Mon-El in it? How could it, if Mon-El just now popped out of the Phantom Zone in the "current" Legion? (Man, this is getting confusing.)
Yes there is Mon-El but no Pre-Crisis Supergirl statue. Those would be the tricky ones to explain.

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Nura was going on about one of them dying in this upcoming adventure.
My first idea is that it's going to be Dream Girl herself to die. And the reason I think this is because I expect Starman to remain with the JSA after this crossover, and he wouldn't do that if Nura was still alive. He'd go back to the future with her instead. (I'm assuming the Legionnaires are going to return to the future. A future.)

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But here's what I'm wondering: did THAT Legion have a Mon-El in it? How could it, if Mon-El just now popped out of the Phantom Zone in the "current" Legion? (Man, this is getting confusing.) Is there a Mon-El in the statues in the Fortress? If so, how did he get back in the Phantom Zone to be rescued by the current Legion?
I am guessing the versions we've seen of the Legion will play a big part in the 52 universes. They are going to have to use one for PC Legion, TMK Legion (probably?), ZH Legion, WaK Legion.

A Supergirl, Superman, and Mon-El to correlate with each one. We also are going to have characters from all of the other universes running around in this current one. Like the current Flash.

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Thanks, it's not howlable but it's very strange this Superman knows anything about a "first crisis".
that's what I thought. by story logic(yeah right) he should have been a blank slate during the Byrne reboot of supes. but now he remembers time with the Legion.

I fear it's going to be as I predicted. there's going to be a mighty headache inducing shoehorning to get the classic legion back. which is good for you long time readers, but it will remind me why I generally dislike time travel or future based comics. with the all the rewrites and what not the time stream gets more polluted than the Cleveland River. smile

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Also while it certainly looks like the PC Legion...the 7 lost legionnaires can be from different universes? doubt it but who knows.

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Well count me as beinng mighty p***ed!

What part of Bring back Condo! don't these people get? How can you have statues of all the Legionnaires "given" to Supes by each of the Legionnaires (btw, he explains that they are each in the costume befitting the adventure they wanted him to remember) including one of Invisible Kid 1 (Lyle) and not have one of Condo? Condo was still in the Legion after Lyle died! mad

As Matthew says, I could have accepted the missing statue if his name had been listed where Wildfire's comatose body was standing, but to not acknowledge him at all? mad


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Condo? Isn't that a Generation X member? JK guys! JK!

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Condo? Isn't that a Generation X member? JK guys! JK!
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Sorry if I missed the information but what is the version/versions of Invisible Kid?

And Vee is absolutely right. Condo deserved to be acknowledged with a statue. He gave his life and shouldn't be completely forgotten.

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Lyle is depicted in his traditional tan/light brown costume. Curiously, Jacques is also depicted with a statue.


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Tyroc snubbed again.
Typical. I really wish they'd do something with him.

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And Vee is absolutely right. Condo deserved to be acknowledged with a statue. He gave his life and shouldn't be completely forgotten.
This post made me think that perhaps Lyle's statue (and Ferro Lad's) were memorial statues given to Clark along with those of the then current Legionnaires. If that's the case (and this would explain the statues of Polar Boy, Sensor Girl) then Condo should still be included as a memorial.

And since Polar Boy and Sensor Girl are there, why aren't Tellus and Pol? They joined at the same time!


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